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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Mar 16, 2024.

  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes. Granted clemency by DFT for his philanthropic "work" on cancer. Responsible for the junk bond and snl bankruptcies. Almost single handedly he did this. Lots of folks were wiped out and the rtc became a whole other grift of itself.
     
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    I never voted for Trump and I never would. It’s not what you or I will do, it’s what swing voters or independent decide to do. They’re the election deciders since both major parties are relatively even in party affiliation. 28% Republican, 30% Democratic, 42% independent.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

    About half of independents dislike both and don’t want neither Trump nor Biden as their next president. They’re also very unenthusiastic about voting for president this time around. 61% according to the latest poll while 26% are enthusiastic. Compare independent enthusiasm this year to 2020 when 61% of independents were enthusiastic, 23% unenthusiastic. Look for a very low voter turnout among independents this year.

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_Ba6mR1n.pdf

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/nzc8dt85gn/econTabReport.pdf

    This is a group of voters Biden won in 2020 by a 54-41 margin. If they don’t show up at the polls or vote third party this time around, that’s going to really hurt Biden. For Trump, it will be addition by subtraction as more of this group stays home than goes and votes.

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

    Independents are today leaning toward Trump by a 40-30 margin with the rest in the vote third party, will not vote or undecided columns. Notice that Trump’s percentage hasn’t gone up, but Biden’s has dropped 24 points. This, independents are the main reason Trump is leading Biden in the polls today. Now you see what I mean by addition by subtraction.
     
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  3. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    Such is the above opinion.
     
  5. MiaBleu

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    Putin uses similar disinformation tactics. He did so in his "victory" speach recently.... Making references to the same talking points that Trump as used and virtually supporting them.

    (Thanks Lee for posting this. I think some will take it into thoughtful consideration........while the die hards will dismiss it. as usual) and project back onto the "left". ( their current MO)
     
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    Really?

    How?
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Many options dismissed as wrong turn out to be true.
     
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    Wuuuut ever are you talking about, and with respect to what?
     
  9. Polydectes

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    Trying to prosecute a candidate is doing more damage also the revising of the Smith-mundt act has harmed the Republic.

    If you cared you'd want all of this to stop.
     
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    If you cared, you'd want such a dangerous criminal to be in jail.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, he did a lot of damage. The kind of people Trump likes.
     
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    If you cared you'd want to biden an indicted too
     
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    They can't help it if you fell for a criminal. Prosecutions are based upon evidence. Trump knows the evidence isn't in his favor - that's why the primary strategy has been to delay and other tactics to avoid an actual trial.
     
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    There is no evidence in the Bragg case and the Letitia James case is civil. Since when are civil cases "criminal"?
     
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    For what?
     
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    He has criminal cases against him. He seeks to avoid trial rather than face the evidence.
     
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    Anyone with any sense would avoid a trial. Only a moron would roll in and throw himself in from the train, as he's getting railroaded...lol
     
  18. MiaBleu

    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. Probably for stuff they make up. We have seen their "investigations" fizzle out because there was nothing there. But that does not stop them from trying.
     
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    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    Indeed This behavior of avoidance is an ongoing pattern for Trump. If he can weasel out of bad situations....he will....and he does not care how. He is a master at conning himself out of a bad spot.
    (but then t5hat is what he is: A con man....who has successfully convinced quite a number of the R party to follow him ..as opposed to the normal Rep party) He is sick. and it is sad that so many continue to enable him by reinforcing his negative behavior)
     
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    LOL, and they expose the techniques and skullduggery the left also uses.
     
  21. MiaBleu

    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but there is NO comparison. The Trump faction has gone so extreme now, that one can hardly recognize them.... Extremism is anti Democratic. ( qualification: THIS democracy, NOT Putins kind)
     
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    Well, most people agree that our institutions are corrupt. Our congress is little more than institutionalized insider trading, and no one is even trying to 'tear that down'. But the unelected bureaucracy surrounding it is at least as compromized, and we do have a constitutional and realistic avenue for purging that- fire and replace them. That doesnt even 'tear it down', just kinda resets it and sends a message.

    And hopefully it gets smaller in the process, but that would be an historical first, so I wont hold my breath.
     
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    Sorry, this is so ridiculous and vapid, and your apparently misconception of democracy that further discussion would be a waste.
     
  24. MiaBleu

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    Great!!! No problem.
     
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    Nope, that's not wrong.
     

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