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  1. Noone

    Noone Well-Known Member

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    But it's not election interference. It's not the justice systems fault HE's a criminal. If being a criminal is interfering with his candidacy that's his own doing.
     
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    The slow pace, favoritism and deference being given to tRaitor tRump is making our justice system look bad. His own delaying tactics are interfering with his campaign; that's on him. An innocent person would want to have been in court, getting these trials out of the way long before now. Yes, it is serious.
     
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    He is defending himself. You would too in his shoes. I'm disappointed that you support political prosecution which makes the justice system look corrupt as hell.
     
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    You believe that as do most democrats. But 42% of all Americans believe strongly, another 20% somewhat believe that the democrats stating Trump will be a dictator or destroy democracy as nothing more than a scare tactic from the democrats. A vote for me type of campaign rhetoric.


    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/HHP_Feb2024_KeyResults.pdf


    In other words, it’s not working. Perhaps it’s because over the last couple of decades all we’ve seen when it comes to election campaigns is nothing but negative political personal attacks. This falls into that negative political attack that most Americans have come to expect and come to ignore for the most part. They’ve been saturated, over saturated with all the negative Trump stuff in the news and on the campaign trail, they expect it and ignore it. This has no shock value.


    To defeat Trumpery, it will have to be done at the ballot box come November. I fear the democrats have chosen the wrong champion to take on Trump and defeat him and Trumpery in November. Do the democrats, progressives really want to defeat Trump and Trumpery or is it that they just want to make a statement? Seems to me if the goal was to defeat Trump and Trumpery, a stronger champion could have, should have been chosen.
     
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    Which is his Constitutional right but, it's not the justice systems fault tRaitor tRump has put himself in those shoes.
    I'm disappointed that you can't see that the justice system is doing it's job, that the prosecution's are not political and that it's not the justice systems fault that they aren't politically expedient for tRaitor tRump.

    My support of my country and it's institutions, in spite of tRaitor tRump's unrelenting attacks on them, should not be a source of disappointment to you. It's something in which all patriotic Americans should join in.
     
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  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. Not just that, but one could say his strategy of delaying all the trials is election interference by forcing their starts closer to the election.
     
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    Do i want to listen your echo chamber sources you use to satisfy your disdain for Trump?

    Nah. I'm good dawg.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ruth: Yeah, unfortunately, one of the things that autocrats specialize in is doing the unthinkable, is making the unthinkable possible, and they send out these trial balloons, like, “I'm going to be a dictator for a day,” and now everybody's talking about a dictator. And then at Trump rallies, people are like, “I want a dictator too,” right? And people are amazed that the unthinkable becomes normalized. And that's the skill. They think big. They're grandiose, and they do things that are so diabolical or so heinous that people thought no one would do such a thing, and no one would scale it, that they scale it. So that's, that's one of the reasons we're always taken by surprise.

    Well, you could always read about how Trump has duped you instead.
     
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    You see?
    Anything to get Trump, demonize Trump, stop Trump.
    Even to the extent of finding words similar to or using "trump" and if they are not complimentary, pointing them out as if there is some meaning there.

    But whatever. Lets play this stupid game; The oxford dictionary defines "trump" as;
    Beat (someone or something) by saying or doing something better:

    trumping (present participle)
    (in bridge, whist, and similar card games) play a trump on (a card of another suit), having no cards of the suit led:


    See how absolutely stupid this stuff is?
    The words definition have absolutely nothing to do with the man; detractors make of them whatever they need them to. We can't even have an adult conversation about the man because of the unreasonable hate/fear he invokes. The first thing that happens is they toss a bunch of unproven allegations about Trump out there (he made MILLIONS in office by selling out to foreign interests, you know, his hotel) He is a Russian spy. And so forth and so on.

    No matter. Come 2024 either Trump will be president or he won't.
     
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    !! Public hearings!!
    How quaint of you to say, much less think that.

    So, if these hearings were so public and above board, I hope you can help me. I'd like to read the transcripts of ALL of Hutchinsons testimony. I can only find the snips the committee used in their professionally edited and produced prime time circus.
    I'd also like to read ALL OF the transcripts of testimony from Trump's driver and security detail on January 6.
    And while we're at it, how about the testimony of FBI officials on what they knew about January 6 before January 6 and what they did with it.

    And while we're at it, lets see the documents the committee turned over to the White House for redaction just before they disbanded. See, according to the committee they gave the White House a bunch of documents so they could be redacted before the committee turned all their stuff over to the National Archives, but son of a gun, the White House never got those redacted documents back, so they weren't included in the National Archives dump. You know, the terabytes of information now marked "secret" for 50 years.

    Open and above board?
    Sorry, that is simply not true. The Nancy Antoinette star chamber committee was formed to gather information to "prove" that Trump fomented an insurrection. This conclusion was made before the Committee was sworn in and they were careful to structure the entire process to arrive at that conclusion.

    Now why would they do that if they knew or believed Trump was guilty?
    Why not make it an honest investigation?
     
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    Yeah but the “tRumpery” definition Pat put up by The Oxford Dictionary more closely describes tRaitor tRump.

    And yep, all patriotic Americans are hoping he will Not … be reelected.
     
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    You're welcome to your opinion, but not your facts.
    And for my part, I'm back to the same reasoning I used in 2016 and 2020.
    I'll be voting against Biden.

    Such is the state of American politics, that many Americans are feeling the same way. We haven't had a candidate we can vote FOR in this century.
     
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    Yeah, but, does that mean that someone who has allegedly committed crimes and is running for office for the purpose to pardon themselves get a pass?
     
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    I’m, very truthfully, voting FOR President Biden. He’s done a fine job of restoring credibility and dignity to the Office of President of the United States; after tRaitor tRump completely discredited both at home and abroad. And, overall, he’s done a solid job of guiding The United States through the perilous recovery from the COVID pandemic that tRaitor tRump’s handling caused many unnecessary deaths and much economic hardship.

    And, and I believe he’s more mentally and physically capable of being President.
     
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    There is no such person. The person running for president began running before the first indictment because he wants to be president again not because he wants to pardon himself. It isn't about a pass. It is about avoiding political prosecutions. They never should have happened in the first place. That Trump committed crimes is an opinion, not a fact hence your use of the term "allegedly." The American way is to keep Trump out of office is to bring up a better candidate and beat him in the elections.
     
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    As we all know, your vote is your decision and your business.
     
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    You really don’t believe that, it’s been obvious since he left office that if he doesn’t get reelected his ass is going to jail.
    We watched tRaitor tRump commit crimes on TV many times.
     
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    Did you tell shutcie that? But thanks, I’ll keep it in mind, and share my opinions as I feel it appropriate and necessary. 8)
     
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    I agree. He shouldn't have exercised his awful personality and gotten a majority of the population to dislike him. Elections are really popularity contests as you certainly know.

    We will get an answer in a few months.
     
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    False equivalency. to trump is a common verb. But 'Trumpery' is an extremely uncommon word.

    The latter has novelty, the former does not, hence the post.

    Learn the difference
     
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    I was In downtown Los Angeles yesterday. Trump is not as dangerous as dem control.
     
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    Downtown L.A. was no different under Trump, under Wilson, under Schwarzenegger, under Deukmejian, and under Reagan. In fact, California has had more republican governors than Democratic, so your implication is absurd. In fact, homelessness surged under Reagan, so your claim is false.

    (note that the San Diego Union-Tribune is a conservative newspaper)

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.co...ness-reagan-mental-health-hospitals-san-diego

    Please stop posting your biased nonsense and do your homework.
     
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    It's impressive, and a bit scary, just how far the right will go to worship and empower the Golden Calf.
     
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    If you mean, he shouldn't have exercised his awful personality by defrauding and attempting to overthrow the U.S.Government ... yeah that is an awful personality. But, the majority of the population disliked couldn't stand him long before he became the first American president to not peacefully participate in the transfer of power from one administration to the other.
    Only for the simple minded. The rest of U.S. take that responsibility very seriously and do our best to select the person that will best uphold their oath of office "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
    We can only hope it will be for President Biden and not tRaitor tRump.
     
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    That's is true. He's exponentially more dangerous; there is no comparison.
     

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