I can not stress strongly enough, to my fellow progressives, how valuable...

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    That is very Trumpian logic.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Again with that unique logic that only Trump and his followers can grasp.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Anyone that doesn't see that Trump is an obvious clear and present danger to the US would look at his legal troubles like you do but, again, obviously wrong.
     
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    Really? :shock:

    His idea to remain in office after he lost the election?

    His attempt to all manner of fraud to overturn that election?

    Sending followers to the Capitol to stop Congress from confirming his loss and President Biden’s win? And have them find Congress and his Vice President so they could assassinate them?

    ALL of that was never done before, a once in a lifetime experience.
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking more about the border crisis, the export of manufacturing to China
     
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    Prosecuting a candidate doesn't interfere with an election?
     
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    So trump is as pure as the driven snow. Got it.
     
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    So all criminals have to do to avoid prosecution is enter an election. Got it.
     
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    Didn't most of this start before he even announced his candidacy?
     
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    Actually, we all did quite well when Trump was President, but since the election rigged by the FBI and CIA lying about Hunter's laptop, it's been getting more and more hellish.

    What Fresh Hell Do We Find Ourselves In Since The election Rigged For Bribed Joe

    It's Biden and too many Dems who are insidious, not Trump.

    'The horrific murder of Laken Riley by a repeated felony offender and illegal alien Jose Ibarra, 26, a Venezuelan citizen, was preventable — had federal immigration laws simply been enforced by the Biden administration.'

    'When called out in his recent State of the Union address, President Joe Biden referenced the deceased Riley. But Biden misidentified her as “Lincoln Riley” –the USC football coach!'

    'Biden only accurately noted that she “was killed by an ‘illegal.'”'

    'True — but almost immediately the left was infuriated over Biden’s accurate use of the supposedly insensitive “illegal” for the murderer Ibarra.'

    'Biden soon apologized for correctly identifying her killer as an illegal alien — but not for misidentifying the victim.'

    'He left the callous impression that he was more upset about offending his open-borders base than about the savage beating of a young 22-year-old American nursing student.'

    'Biden’s woke open-borders agenda supersedes any worry over the subsequent mounting number of Americans who have fallen victim to foreign gangs and criminals. He seems oblivious to the nearly 100,000 Americans who die from fentanyl imported across open borders.'

    He doesn't care.
    He takes bribes,
    Evades the taxes,
    Steal and sells classified information,
    And he's trying to jail his opponent to rig another election.

    'At Houston’s George Bush Intercontinental Airport, a United plane simply taxied off the runway and got stuck in the grass. Another United flight from San Francisco lost a wheel while taking off!'

    'Yet another United flight from Houston to Florida was forced to make an emergency landing after one of its engines caught fire. At about the same time, a United flight bound for San Francisco from Hawaii experienced an engine failure in mid-flight.'

    'Dozens were injured on a Boeing jet during a Chilean airline flight from Australia to New Zealand due to what officials called “a technical event during the flight which caused a strong movement.”'

    'Anytime ideology and dogma trump merit, logic, and safety, the result is predictably scary and dangerous.'

    'America needs to recalibrate its priorities to protect the lives and aspirations of all its citizens, regardless of their race and gender.'

    'If our elites do not stop playing god and mandating their visions of heaven on earth, then they will surely ensure hell for us all.'

    This is what's dangerous, not Trump. Trump represents a return to more normalcy.
     
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    You got it because you invented it. I didn't say that. I said the prosecutions are politically motivated and that is as plain as day.
     
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    I agree with you to an extent. I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm an opponent of political prosecution. The American way to win an election is to put up a better candidate and vote.
     
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    Thanks for the opinion. Political prosecutions are really harming our justice system. It is serious.
     
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    Why would anyone want to waste time listening to arrogant and hypocritical liberals pontificate and bloviate?

    If they can actually manage to find a mirror they might be worth listening to.

    As it is, you have given us a brief enough but good enough synopsis to totally ignore them.
     
  15. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bannon is still hard at work promoting institutional nihilism while enjoying the freedom afforded to him by the use of the Orange Messiah's institutional power of the pardon.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, that's one of the hallmarks of Trumpery. Run from anything that challenges your beliefs.

    Barb: Yeah. Well, as you know, Ruth, I cite a good bit of her book, Strongmen, in my book, because, although the delivery mechanism has changed and evolved — you know, we have social media, which is something that didn't exist decades before — the tactics that Donald Trump uses are really no different from the tactics we saw with Mussolini and Hitler and others. You know, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, as you know, Ruth, that deceptions need to be simple, things that people can understand and then repeated and repeated again and again. And people need to hear it not just from the source, but they need to hear it repeated from different sources. (like other RWM sources besides Faux) And then that sounds like it's theirs, because there's credibility, because I'm hearing it from a lot of places.

    And the other thing that Hitler wrote about in Mein Kampf is the importance of a big lie. And that's because all of us tell small lies from time to time. We might say, “Jack, you look great in that sweater.” No, really, I'm kidding. He's a friend. My husband might say, “Oh, no, dear, that dress doesn't make you look fat.” But he's saying these things out of a place of kindness, and we've all done that. But what Hitler wrote is, that it would never enter into our heads to have the audacity to lie about something that is very significant. And so, because it is such a big lie, it is ironically more believable, because we just can't imagine someone being so immoral, so completely bereft of any integrity, that they would say such things. And so, it's one of the things that makes it so believable.
     
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    As you copy and paste things which confirm your confirmation bias.

    If you can't see the abject hypocrisy contained within those words, well let's just say if it needs to be explained to you, It cannot be explained to you.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, "they" didn't. The 1/6 committee, which included two Repubs, held public hearings so the American people could hear first hand what former members of the Trump admin were testifying to about about what they knew. It was incredibly damaging for Trump. Which is why House Repubs continue to use their positions to try to discredit the committee's report.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a common reaction when people have the method by which they are being duped explained to them in granular detail. I can see why you're embarrassed by it. It's human nature to reject the idea of being conned. And make no mistake, you've been conned.

    But I'd ask you to examine why you are so totally devoted to a morally bankrupt fraud working every day to frustrate the process of justice, being judged innocent or guilty by a jury. Why doesn't he want a speedy trial if the evidence is in his favor? Why attack the prosecution rather than defend himself with the facts?

    He claims to be immune from prosecution, not innocent of the charges against him.
     
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    That has been the standard for free speech advocates for centuries going back at least to Voltaire. Leave it to leftists to think it has anything to do with Trump.
     
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    Buy yourself a mirror.
     
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    There is no better example of Mencken's dictum than Donald Trump and the current Democratic party has become party Orwell warned us of. Under Marx, Islam, and the current Democratic party lying to the infidels is perfectly acceptable, as is charging their leaders with crimes they didn't commit.
     
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    Sure.
     
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    There’s no way I want Trump back in the white house. But I’m not most Americans. The problem with trying to defeat Trumpery as you put it today, is there are as many Americans don’t who want Biden reelected as don’t want Trump to regain the white house. Both major party candidates are viewed negatively by around 60% of all Americans. The big difference is the type of support each major party candidates is getting. Among Biden supporters, their vote is mostly anti-Trump than pro-Biden. But among Trump supporters, their vote is mostly pro-Trump than anti-Biden. That I find highly interesting. I’ll let each to interpret this anyway they like.


    To defeat Trumpery as I’ve been saying all along, I think Biden is the wrong candidate to do so. That Biden gives Trumpery at least a 50-50 chance of succeeding at the polls. Why? Independents today prefer Trump over Biden or should I say independents in general want Trump to lose less than they want Biden to lose although they would like for both to lose if they had their druthers.
     
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    Trumpery transcends what has always been the historic process of the voters choosing a Dem or a Repub as prez. It is a movement challenging fundamental, institutional norms more than the advocacy of policy. It promotes centralized power in the hands of a person more than the office. One of its organizing principles is no accountability for illegal acts. Basically, the suspension of the rule of laws........of all rules. What Trump says goes, period. At its core it is anti-democratic.
     
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