To anybody who believes the Hamas-Israel protests are two-dimensional...

The worst lie is one that is partially true. They ARE taught history about what Israel has done to their ancestors. But that, in and of itself, is NOT the reason why somebody becomes a terrorist. A more present reason for a huge number of them is because they EXPERIENCED, in their own flesh, the pain of seeing a parent, son, daughter, sibling... who had NOTHING to do with the conflict, killed...

Forget about Muslims and Jewish "loving" each other. That's not what we want to accomplish. Have them hate each others guts. What we need to stop is the terrorism from one side, and the carnage from the other.

Israel is better than that. They just need to SHOW the world that they're better than that.

The statement is completely devoid of any sense of reason. You expect people who want to stay away from the conflict to suddenly change their minds and start fighting terrorists? But no matter what they do or don't do, they DON'T deserve to be massacred. They are NOT terrorists. You can't massacre people just because they're afraid...

We're talking about human beings! No more or less so than you or me or the Israelis. To debate this in a serious manner, the first thing you need to do is rid yourself of all the propaganda they have fed you and start trying to ground your feet in REALITY. Otherwise you end up in a binary think-pattern that makes it impossible to use rational thought.

Maybe you can't do that. But people in these protests CAN! And that's why they're protesting. Don't expect THEM to abandon reality. They won't!

 

History eludes ME!!!
You have no idea what you're talking about!! None!

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-history#my-lai-massacre

 

Of course I know what questions are, but as I said in my response "the rest of your post is nonsense". Your "questions" had nothing to do with anything so I wasn't going to waste my time with them.

 

How would a two state solution keep Iran and Hamas from wanting an end to Israel? It is not based on logic. It is purely ideological.

 

Yes. Are you saying the 30,000+ people the Israelis have killed have captured hostages and returned them to their captors? I asked for a reference of this wild accusation. You provided none.

You can try to find excuses all they long for Israel massacring innocent people. And you might even convince yourself. But you are NOT going to convince rational people. The protesters are RATIONAL people who understand that Netanyahu HAS alternatives that are different from genocide, and he simply refuses to negotiate them.

 

"Define" genocide? That's your argument? For God's sake, look it up in a dictionary! I don't care how you define it. Netanyahu is killing thousands of innocent people for the only crime of living in Gaza. THAT is what I call "genocide", "massacre"... and maybe even "ethnic cleansing" (who knows what's in Netanyahu's mind).

An argument based on definitions is the best you can do?

That will NOT stop any protest!

 

Yes, Israel IS better than that and have shown it time after time and nothing has changed. How many times have they been attacked? Actual wars against them and they won them all. They then gave back the land they gained in the conflicts. How many times do they have to show the world?

THEY ELECTED THEM!!! They have no interest in fighting "terrorists" when their goals are the same.

I would agree with that if I believed it.

Yes, they are human beings but what makes you think that the REALITY is no different than the reality that made Germans embrace the Nazi party or Americans embracing MAGA?!

Oh, I can but the truth is that the protestors are ignoring history.

 

There are many sources. The figure is the most credible. But estimates range from 10K to 40K. The exact number doesn't matter. It's genocide!

Still genocide. And, more importantly.... AVOIDABLE! You have just justified the protests.

That's over 5 thousand people. Yes! Most DEFINITELY genocide!

But are you stuck on a word? Call it massacre of innocent people, if it makes you feel better. Who cares about the word. Protesters care about people being killed when there are alternatives.

Look... ANY nation that suffers an attack like this, will earn the sympathy of the world. Even if they retaliate. But when they do things like telling civilians to move to the south, and then they BOMB the south.... they will loose that sympathy. It won't matter who wanted the war in the first place. A nation that DOESN'T do what it can to protect innocent life, will make more enemies. Israel CAN reduce the loss of civilian lives. They just DON'T. And if the U.S. is funding the shells that are being dropped, protests WILL ensue.

It's not rocket science.

Israel has demonstrated it's INCAPABLE of waging a war against Palestine. So they need an alternative. Negotiating a two-state solution is the alternative.

We blame OURSELVES when the side we are funding commits genocide. THAT is what the protests are about.

 

Okay then I’m forced to assume you think all kids are smart enough to vote from the moment they are born since you refuse to even believe the question is relevant. Which is ridiculously absurd, but I’m sure you’re going to ask me why shouldn’t little babies be allowed to vote and for me to provide lots of evidence lol! But of course I’m the one with the bad questions.

And the all-encompassing question is on what do you base thinking students know enough about history, world events, cultural differences, economics, morality, legality, and the dissemination of all of the above enough to make advocacy decisions in a public school setting that should be devoted purely to learning?

oh right. Students didn’t want to die in a long brutal war 50 years ago so what more proof do I need that they know all that? LOL


Stop making me laugh with your ridiculous argumentation coupled with basic question dodging.

 

I have a question for the rational thinkers.
Why did they take hostages? What's the purpose they have?

 

Wow, you just admitted you don’t care about definitions, you’ll use any language you feel like just because you feel like it and expect everyone else to go along with it.

Well okay then, I guess according to your made up feelings and emotions about genocide, it is indeed genocide! I can’t argue with that!

Heck, you even count dead Hamas as dead civilians, sounds like another made up definition of what a civilian is!

Enjoy regurgitating your inapplicable use of words. The only ones you are convincing of your bastardization of the English language are those who also dwell in the land of made up beliefs

 

It's this nonsense that's not worth the time to answer.

WTF!!
We're talking about college students not K-12!! FFS!!

This is more proof you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Not a chance, you're ignorance of history and facts is comedy gold.

 

Sorry dude for many of those on the left Israel Palestine is an emotional issue not an intellectual one. This is entirely clear from the wholly illogical idea that killing terrorist just creates more terrorists as if that is some how a justification for not killing terrorists. Is it not as likely that kids can figure that mom and dad died because Hamas started a war they could not possible win and then through mom and dad under the bus as a cheap political trick to sway leftists idiots to support them so they could live to murder another day?

 

Doesn't matter what they "want". A two state solution is what they GET!

 

As many as they need to stop the killings

That was almost 20 years ago! And they DON'T deserve to be slaughtered for it.

They have no interest in fighting ANYBODY. They just want to stay alive.

So would you say it's OK if another country started slaughtering American because we embraced MAGA? Furthermore (more to the point of this thread), would you say that if this happened, protesters in another country who took the streets to oppose it were "wrong" to do so?

The above are real questions. Not rhetorical. Please answer them.

Who CARES about history. There is NOTHING in history that justifies indiscriminately slaughtering people.

 

Terrorism! And others... Now please answer mine.

 

Which does nothing to keep Hamas and Iran from wanting to wipe out Israel. The solution is to allow Israel to continue until Hamas is no more.

Tell that to Hamas who are putting Israel into the position of killing Palestinians in order to defeat Hamas.

 

1000% correct!

And you have admitted that definitions are the ONLY thing you care about. Not the fact that thousands of people are being needlessly slaughtered.

So we are debating completely different things. You are debating definitions. I'm debating the reason why people protest. The latter is the topic of this thread. So this discussion serves no purpose.

Thanks for trying anyway...

 

Ok. So your overall point is now clear: you believe that Israel should act like Hamas. I disagree. And so do protesters. But if they DO become, act, think or operate in any way like Hamas, we might not want to be funding them.

In any case, now I understand your position.

 

Israel has two options. They can continue to battle Hamas who has intentionally surrounded themselves with Palestinians which will result in more Palestinian deaths.

Or they can just quit which will end with Israel no longer surviving as a nation.

Which do you prefer? Or if you have another suggestion let us know. The whole world wants to know.

 

worthless dodge

And you can’t prove they know anything about what I described. Another epic fail to back your argument.

Back to dodging like a champ. I’m glad we both agree high school students are too dumb to advocate in school grounds though.

So somehow the transference from high school to college does some sort of magic to their brains in your mind where suddenly they now know everything about everything and can intimidate other students with their BS and interrupt and toxify the college grounds all they want in your mind.

Sorry, but knowledge is not transferred by magic.

You think they are knowledgeable enough? Prove it. So far I’m just getting Jack **** from you

 

And yet he RAN ON ending the war, isn't that odd?

You little sit ins came from Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy and good ol LBJ..

Nixon ran on and ended the war

 

Yeah, words matter because they impact the dissemination of events along legal and moral grounds and definitions matter because they affect the accuracy of our words. F-up the definitions you will F-up your analysis and you will then F-up your conclusions.

Your logic is so F-ed up, you can’t even be expected to know the difference between a dead civilian and dead terrorist. Hence why you don’t

Your logic is so F-ed up you can’t even be expected to know the difference between self defense and murder at this point since “they’re all equally dead”.

lo and behold you follow this F-up formula to the letter, all because you can’t figure out what genocide is let alone how it matters.

Glad you are on record as not caring if 1 Palestinian dies. Your caring is somewhere between 1 and 32000, of which half are Hamas which you obviously care about a lot as well since you include them.


Your whole argument is worthless.

 

Let me make it clear to you for this and future discussions. When your argument comes down to "Oh... you can't define the word 'genocide'", and you think that ends the debate about protests because Israel has been killing thousands of civilians, you don't deserve any more attention. Clearly that means you have NO real arguments.

So long as you don't define "genocide" as "throwing rose petals and stems at the other side" ... any REASONABLE definition will suffice. I am not interested in wasting more than a microsecond debating what the meaning of "is" is.

 

I'll blame ourselves when the Israelis deliberately commit mass murder like the Nazis did. Until then, I will be realistic. In history we see that there are always civilians who are killed and wounded in war. 1% is simply not evidence of a systematic genocide. It just isn't.