To anybody who believes the Hamas-Israel protests are two-dimensional...

Oh FFS, give me a break.
You say that "I have absolutely no idea what benefit students advocating for anything on issues on which they know nothing about is a good thing." So....according to you, these higher education students have no idea about the issues and therefore their actions will reap zero benefit and I countered that students at the same level of education also protested about Vietnam, which, to you, would be an issue they know nothing about because they are just "students" yet the benefit of those protests brought about the end of the way and the right to vote.
All of this is in response to another poster saying that students protesting is a good thing.
This stuff really isn't that hard!!!

 

Not confused at all - human shields is a standard Hamas tactic. The Israelis can either just stand there and get shot at or do their best to avoid hitting hostages. The use of human shields by the way is against every law of war. So, if you're speaking out for humanity go after Hamas,

 

How do you explain the terrorist supporters chanting "death to Jews"?

 

Oh so all you’ve got amounts to no more complicated a thought process than “students protested Vietnam, Vietnam is bad, therefore students knew everything they needed to know to make an educated decision”.

lol. You’re right, that crap isn’t very hard at all. Let me know when you’re ready for big boy debating.

 

Indiscriminately? When Hamas is walking among the normies, you can't help but hit innocents, and its BY DESIGN. What should Israel do, just wait around to die? That's what you want if you expect them not to shoot back? That's the way HAMAS has operated always. No uniforms. Breaking every "rule" of war. Then IDIOTS believe Israel blew up a hospital...with rocket installations on the roof. OOOH, they blew up a school? With rockets being fired from it. They killed children....with bombs strapped to them. Don't you GET IT? HAMAS are animals. Evil animals. They don't play by the rules, but you expect Israel to play nice, with ANIMALS? Just sit there and die? Accept it? Nope!! Sorry. Palestinians gave HAMAS power. They voted for them. Now you want Israel to show restraint? Why? NO restraint was shown on Oct 7th. Burned people. Raped, kidnapped, murdered. Palestinians made the bed. Accept it.

 

Does this mean that you DO believe that Palestinians deserve to be slaughtered by Israel because Hamas won the elections almost 20 years ago?

What does that have to do with justifying that slaughter of a whole ethnic group? Innocence or not, there is NO justification for Ethnic Cleansing.

 

That does not justify justify genocide. And you have demonstrated the protesters are RIGHT.

 

You just quoted my post where I answer that question.

 

You should re-read your post, because you didn't answer that question.

 

Let’s be real here, there could be 1 dead Palestinian and you’d still be claiming it’s genocide no matter how ridiculous you sound.

Repeating the same lie does not create truth

 

Yes. You CAN help it! And people are protesting because Netanyahu REFUSES to even consider the alternative that would prevent it. Not just in the U.S., but all over the world.... including Israel.

THAT's what the protests are about. And it's what the OP intended to explain. Agree with it or not, it is a solution that has not been tried.

 

No I wouldn't. If there were one dead Palestinian, other than terrorists, there would be no protests.

 

Yes you would. It’s as clear as day, evident on the complete lack of reasoning you put into your initial claim. You never define it, you never put it into context. It’s genocide just because you say so and you take that complete lack of proper argumentation as a foregone conclusion that everyone around you must accept.

It isn’t genocide. Tell me exactly how it is, and show your work.

 

Personally I've checked out of the whole thing. Israel is run by people that suck. Palestine is run by people that suck. They both hate eachother more than they care about their own people, and so long as that remains true, nothing will change.

Seems to me that taking the sportsball 'my team is great, the other team is satan' approach is the only way to not check out of the whole thing. And its prolly good that not everyone is checking out like I have.

 

What would Israel be doing right now if it didn’t suck?

 

Right. Big boy debates are loaded with the deep critical thinking of Students = Dumb
I don't know how old you are but what we knew back then was there was going to be a draft lottery every year and if your birthday came up you were going into the service with a good chance of being sent to a war that we (US) had no interest in winning. Over 50,000 died over 10 yrs. of war. We also knew that the average age going was 19 compared to 26 in WW2 and that we (the 19 yr olds) had no say about the people sending us there. The thought process isn't complicated but it is a fact.

 

What do you do with countries that surround you with people wanting to do the same thing to you?
Are those people doing anything to get the hostages back to show they don't agree with the people they elected 20 years ago.

 

Not shelling civilian areas would help. But mostly its what Israel coulda been doing over the last decades that's more important.

Funding radical Hamas as a proxy against the more moderate PLO didn't help.
Suppressing infrastructure developement in Gaza didn't help.
Banning firearms in Gaza (so criminals like Hamas could maintain a power monopoly) didn't help.
Making it hard for Israelis living on the border of Gaza to defend themselves with personal firearms didn't help.

And by 'didn't help', I mean led to less peace and more death. All of these things demonstrably served (and may continue to do so) a leadership in Israel that opposes any peaceful solution with the Palestinians, just as Hamas opposes with Israeli Jews.

 

It's only genocide on the part of Hamas. Israel is following international rules of war as far as possible. If you're so outraged - blame the belligerent party forcing them into the combat area.

 

So, just as all young people, they knew basically nothing but the most general of facts and were mostly affected by how it could impact them personally.

Shocking news. I realize this was your attempt at arguing how smart they were so I’m sure you’re unaware of the irony in actual proving otherwise.

Young people are dumb as hell. That shouldn’t be debatable, yet here you are trying to defy the obvious.

 

How do they kill Hamas without killing civilians?

A lot of this is 20/20 hindsight with a conclusion of “it would lead to more peace if this didn’t happen” that only 20/20 hindsight could reveal the truth of. Some I agree with, some I don’t, it’s all just speculation in the end but I do think most of this is covered simply by the idea that Israel never should have left Gaza to begin with.

It is what it is right now, and I don’t think Israel will be going for an aftermath that reestablished the status quo. That’s not to say other actors aren’t really really wanting the status quo back for some reason.

 

I believe the extremes on both sides are antisemitic. The squad has been pretty vocal in giving their support to Hamas and their citizens. Israel is not trying to kill citizens. They are trying to attack Hamas’s military targets but unfortunately they hide them behind citizens which is a war crime. The world allowed this to go on without addressing it so what was Israel suppose to do? Just give them a hug for Oct 7th attacks? And those citizens are complicit in the crime as well. They have recaptured escaped hostages and brought them back to Hamas. These protests are founded upon lies that Hamas and their citizens are somehow the victim. I have Israel’s back and the protestors aren’t even looking at this two dimensionally, they are viewing this in 1D

 

You have done nothing to prove YOUR point.
To sit back and make a generalization that "young people are dumb as hell" is disingenuous and in a debate, it's intellectually dishonest.

 

30K up to a bit over a month ago. That's more than 1, isn't it?

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234159514/gaza-death-toll-30000-palestinians-israel-hamas-war

Oh.. and no. There are NOT 30K terrorists in Gaza.

 

Quite true! If they keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result... well... you know the rest. They need to do something different. Like sit and negotiate a two-state solution.

And even though they DO suck, the adults in the room SHOULD be Israel. I think a non-Netanyahu Israeli government might accomplish something new. At least something that hasn't been tried....