$4 Million for Climate Change research

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  1. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Is warming good or bad? Is rising CO good or bad?
    Mate, I can't take you serious anymore, it is as if asking the question, is a war good or bad, is violence good or bad?
    There are simple things we all know, todifferentiate between good and bad.
    If you are questioning even the simplest things I have my doubts about you....
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    Do you have any experience in the APS? What you should also do with that list is generate what the actionable outcomes of those were.... what you'll find is the ALP increases the size of the APS because its a union dominated industry and it aligns with their concept of 'state' run economy.... the problem is you get a lot of APS people doing absolutely nothing of real value, wasting valuable tax revenue on wages to satisfy the complex of unions which is needed to keep the ALP running. The APS has real serious issues, with most of it being a complete basket case of inefficiency and bloated organisational structures with positions created just to keep your friends closer and your enemies moving to another areas LOL. Sad but true.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Alarmism does not replace science yet in the case of climate change, it has.

    The Sahel is greening, CO2.

    Warming only happens in the upper lattitudes as the equator has not varied from 1c for over a millennia. More arable land.

    Some people think they know everything that will happen in a non linear chaotic system and are entirely too sure of themselves. That is hubris.

    Some people have no idea how much is unknown in the immature of climate science.

    I have my doubts about anyone that is so naive to think everything they are told is accurate and every paper that comes out or every utterance of a politician is fact.
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Hoosier,
    I do travel abroad fairly regular. It looks to me, that the vast majority of scientists (worldwide) do agree in climate change and global warming. Are they all wrong?
    How come, that you question all those highly educated and most often independant people?
    Isn't it more the case, that climate change and the necessary steps to slow down global warming would affect our industries and perhaps our way of life?
    If I hear people like you arguing, it sounds like our federal government, for whome the change in these industries is totally unwanted.
    Who is behind you?
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are only two things that scientists agree on.

    That it has warmed since 1880 (actually since the end of the 1600s to be exact)
    That CO2 can contribute to warming.

    After that there is a lot of disagreement. You will especially not hear alarmism from all but a select few scientists that have inserted themselves into the politics of global warming like Michael Mann.

    It is incredible hubris to think that man will keep the climate from changing. Failure is a given seeing how it has been warmer in the past and it has always changed.

    If you only read climate alarmist claims and search no further, you will never know what is actually going on or how the alarmist media and politicians are actually damaging the science.
     
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    Every scientist I've heard speak on climate change would disagree. The idea of climate change is very simple although weather is more complicated and might be affected by climate change in ways we aren't certain of. A vast majority would almost certainly that agree climate change is an enormous issue.
     
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    Everyone agrees on climate change. The climate has always changed. Warming alarmism is a different issue altogether and since it stopped warming end of last century and warmed first half of last century without any explanation or scientific attribution is it any wonder that people question the orthodoxy of the alarmists?
     
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    The climate is also affected by the natural climate cycle, so its normal to not have cooling some years. If it weren't for the excess of CO2, the earth probably would have cooled during that period. The earth not cooling for a few years isn't a reason not to worry about climate change.
     
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    Each ice age NASA drilled had increased Carbon.

    CO2 absorption Refrigeration is done by heat.

    Global warming is the Scientific name, politicians converted to climate change, yes it does!
     
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    I intended to say warming rather than cooling in the last sentence. Most people are probably able to figure that out but I wanted to correct it.
     
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    Warming cycles happened before the CO2 attribution to the last half of the last centuries warming cycle. What cause those warming cycles before that? Why is the last warming cycle suddenly caused by CO2 instead of what caused the last warming cycles? It has been warming since the 1600's, what caused that?
     
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    Nobody said that all warming is a result of CO2, just that CO2 is a major contributor to the climate. The idea that greenhouse gases have a large effect on the climate is very well understood. The Moon for example has no atmosphere. It's lack of atmosphere results in all of the Suns light making its way to the surface of the moon. This makes the moon very hot during the day. Up to around 255 degrees Fahrenheit. The moon also lacks greenhouse gases. Because of this it gets as low as -390 degrees Fahrenheit at night.
     
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    The IPCC attributes 100% of the last cycle to CO2 (actually more than 100%) and that is why all the hullabaloo about CO2. The hiatus took them by surprise. No one argues that warming is caused by the atmosphere and without greenhouse gasses it would be a frozen planet. The argument is about how much man contributes or if it is as alarming as the alarmists predict in a wicked system (which is going badly by the way).
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean by the IPCC attributes 100% of the last cycle to CO2, can you cite that? If it means that the earth would be warming when it otherwise would not be without the excess CO2, that's different than all warming of the earth being attributed to CO2. Also I don't think many people would agree with you. All of the scientists that I've heard speaking about climate change have said that it is a major issue. It can cause mass extinction, extreme weather, and will be catastrophic if we don't do something about it. On the other side I've just heard people completely deny that climate change is happening which is ridiculous.
     
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    All of the scientists you have heard? Can you name them? How many is that other than what you read in the media? No one claims climate change isn't happening, the only constant in climate is change.

    I am tired of looking for and posting the same thing over and over again for those that don't know what they are talking about. CO2 is the attribution for warming since 1950, yet there were previous similar warming periods that were just as rapid as that one that are not attributed to CO2. For instance, the warming period the first half of last century before the slight cooling from the 40's to the 70's.
     
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    Sorry, but a cartoonists alarmist blog that often misrepresents data is not a good source for quality information.
     
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    Come on Coalition come on, sing us your song, you know it be wrong, and your Coal god it is a waning!
     
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    Can't answer eh?
     
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