6 Wounded in Massive Rocket Attack from Gaza

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do all the other countries which receive US Aid also blackmail US?

    Sounds like you think you're talking to an Israel hater, my friend. I'm not :)
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Excuse me?
    The Middle East has been destroyed over the past 15 years or so seemingly for Israel's new strategy of Clean Break. The US State department in 48 knew exactly what would happen if a State of Israel was created then which is why they opposed it.

    They will be turning in their graves now the US is run by Fanatical Christians who believe in a literal bible and prophecy and are going hell bent to make it so even if that results in the end of the world.

    Taken roughly from link below

    Since Carter every President has had to make his position re Christian Zionism positive.

    Regan who took the religious views of Fundamentalists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson saw his primary responsibility as President of the US to build up the military for Armageddon. Charles Fischbein, central figure in the Israel Lobby said Regan and his attorney General Edwin Meese were actively praying for Armageddon to begin during his presidency.

    Religious affiliations of people in Congress 1999 87% of Senate Members and 91% of members of the House of Representatives had at lease some affiliation to some Christian denominations.

    At the same time, the Christian Zionists and more broadly the Christian Right in the US have fermented the doctrine of various apocalyptic end time scenarios whereby the return of Christ is incumbent upon Israel having possession of the what is regarded as the first century CE geographical area of the biblical land. Naturally such attitudes are not conductive to lasting peace


    https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.751375!/file/Finney-M-Christian-Zionism.pdf
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so Israel's message is: "Give us $3 billion in yearly aid FOREVER, or we will nuke the Arabs".

    looks like blackmail

    you know what Israel? go ahead, start your nuclear armageddon.

    we dont care anymore.

    Middle East is an infertile desert anyways.
     
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    I hope you find Germany on Nr. 2 and South Korea pretty amazing as well.
     
  5. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indeed. Except the places where Jews have turned desert into oasis.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, not really. Good people that they are, they're not amazing.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    alexa, I can't follow your train of thought, you're all over the place - sorry.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, not at all. Where is your problem in understanding. I would think it would be quite clear to you.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would that be. You are the person who since I met you has said time after time after time that if the US does not give Israel what she wants in money/armaments, she will nuke her neighbours. Possibly you do not like Israel as much as you say.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not what I'm saying at all, re-read please.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course it is - I can't understand you.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course what is. It is perfectly clear from a paper from Sheffield University. Dutch if you are incapable of even saying what you do not understand then you have a problem, not me.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is what I am saying. You are the person and I think you are alone in this but you always say that if Israel does not get what she wants she is going to nuke the middle east.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But I never said you have a problem alexa, and always said it is I who has the problem understanding you.
     
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    We stand above evryone.

    German inventions

    Bicycle, Car, Jet engine, Rocket engine, stealth Fighter, nuclear Power, chemical fertilizer, vaccination, First Computer, book print ect

    Israel invented nothing that came even close
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another shot in Gaza while wearing a clear Press sign. This time however it was a member of Associated Press.

    https://www.apnews.com/65bd5c31690342b886ab5b8f72b37e53
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :applause:
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No you were blaming me

    Like I said, I am sure everything I wrote and everything in that paper is already well known.

    Here is another link
    https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.751375!/file/Finney-M-Christian-Zionism.pdf

    Now if you believed as you claimed you did that I was 'all over the place' then it ought to be within your ability to explain what made you think that.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since 2002, eh? Well, to be a reporter in a war-zone takes guts, my hat is off to him.

    I wonder, who shot him, Israelis or Palestinians?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I was not, I was blaming myself for not able to follow your train of thought. Let's leave it with that, alexa :)
     
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    Who is it who usually shoots the Press is Gaza. Hell even a Canadian Dr got shot!
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wonder....
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh you know Dutch and you support it. You claimed earlier that you do not care about such things and the breaking of law to do them as long as Israel gets what you want, J and S - and you are supported by the current US Government bringing the West and the World back to the dark ages - all for the fanatically religious.
     
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    You are saying that the US opposed the establishment of Israel in 1948 because they knew what would have happen, yet a joint resolution from June 1922 that was adopted by the American Congress that they agree for the re-establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, as it was layed out in the document of the Mandate:
    That joint Resolution was been also detayled and got recognition in The Palestine Royal Commission Report, July 1937, Chapter 2 P. 31.

    Source: https://biblio-archive.unog.ch/Dateien/CouncilMSD/C-495-M-336-1937-VI_EN.pdf
     
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    No that is not what I said. I said the State Department opposed it.

    Even if so it does not change the reality that the State Department had Israel sussed. They knew that the creation of Israel at that time would just result in a continuous state of wars with Israel always claiming she was the victim and demanding she take more space for safety. They were correct. They also knew that the creation of an Israeli state at that time would result in the US losing the support of the Arabs. The US was very highly thought of in the ME at the time and had promised to help all those wanting self determination. To not allow that to the Palestinians would destroy that. They also believed it would throw the arab world off kilter and not allow it to settle and move on. They were correct in all these things. Because of that they did everything they could to oppose it.

    There had been a joint US/UK group who went to see what was possible. They believed that creating any kind of Independent State the way things were then would result in never ending war as we have seen as Israel bit by bit takes over the homes of the Palestinians keeping them as captives while she does it until now the fanatics in the US do not even care about law and the taking of lives and justice and everything the West ever stood for is being destroyed.

    The US has lost everything it stood for supporting you. However I am also aware that at the time Israel came into being there were plenty of Jews who had conscience and who wanted the Palestinians to have justice. One of the last only died a short while ago.

    I also know that without the American Christian fanatics it is very likely that the 2 state solution would have come into being, that they have been the people who have been determined that Israel will take all the land their bible says and then there will be Armageddon - and they are doing pretty well working for that I would say. Unfortunately bit by bit most Israelis have moved this way to the extreme right. No people who believed in justice could do what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians but the worse they get the more the US cries Hooray. I was reading today that in the US the Christian fanatics are not getting replacements. However they have managed to spread it all around the world to Christians - you will know this as they meet in Israel.

    https://www.jpost.com/Christian-New...nate-Christian-Zionism-but-Not-Anymore-508621

    I was reading today that Israel just hopes they get into power in their own countries. Well here is your latest win.

    Transcript – Brazil’s fascist threat and US-backed war on Latin America’s leftist Pink Tide w/ Aline Piva (E29)
     
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