6 Wounded in Massive Rocket Attack from Gaza

So the State Department is not part of the US?

The Joint Resolution from 1922 does not fit for your assertion.

we are talking about history and what happened prior to 1948. Thus, the UK nor the US reffered the Arabs as "Palestinains"- they were considered as Arabs or non-Jewish communities, as they were reffered in the Joint Resolution of 1922. Please be historical accurate.

Once again, "Palestinians" were not existed prior to 1948 (as they are not exist as a people nowadays). "Palestinains" is only a general name for the population that lived in the Land of Israel until 1948. Thus, Christians, Arabs and Jews that lived in The Land of Israel were "Palestinians". Please be historical accurate.

Prior to 1948 not Christians nor the Arabs had international recognition for the re-establishment of their national home in the Land of Israel. Only the Jews had that.

We are not talking about the Bible, so what the American fanatics says about the Bible and the Land of Israel is irrelevent for our disscusion.

 

How about showing some of those "israeli inventions" that rival jet engine, rocket engine, car or vaccination.

 

The Mandate was for Palestine, there was no mention of Israel, nor of a country for the Jews, you be historically accurate.

Israeli's did not exit as a nationality either before 1948 or after. No where in the Mandate for PALESTINE is the word Israel or Israeli mentioned.

 

Stick with car, the others were not invented by germans!

 

The Mandate for Palestine talked about the territory called "Palestine", tho "Palestine" is a name that been used in the English language, taking from Latin, to reffered to the Land of Israel. Thus, "Palestine" = the Land of Israel.

I'm indeed being historical accurate. Nice from you to agree with me.

Prior to 1948 among the Jewish communities worldwide had at a middle of a process of getting their own identity as a nation. Hertzel talked about it in his first speech he gave in the Zionist congress, and said that for the Jews to get to the level of unity so that unity will get them the drive to contribute as much as possible for the establishment of a state for the Jews, they need to have a inner process that started with the mind, and once they are getting for that state of mind, then it is Zionism. Which means, Zionism, as Hertzel layed it out, is the process Jews needed to go through for the unity feeling that will lead to the establishment of a state for them. (Thus Zionism is not what it is reffered today. What today Zionism is reffered to is from political agendas, and it is not quite historical accurate)

 

Nice of you to make stuff up, however you have no choice but to concede that the Mandate was for Palestine and the people were known as Inhabitants of Palestine, during the mandatory period.

The first use of the word Palestine was by the Greeks in 500BC.

I note you have gone from your position of denying that Palestine existed to Palestine means Land of Israel, Hilarious!

Again there never has been and still is not the nationality of Israeli. Your deflection is noted.

 

As usual you are wrong.

First aircraft with a Jet engine was the Messerschmidt

ME 262

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

First rocket that reached space was the V2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket

Vaccination was invented by Robert Koch.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/robert-koch

Germany pretty much invented evry large field of science we have today. Thats a simple fact

 

"Palestine" refers to the ancient Kingdom of Philistia.

Not Israel.

 

Jet Engine:

The key to a practical jet engine was the gas turbine, extracting power from the engine itself to drive the compressor. The gas turbine was not a new idea: the patent for a stationary turbine was granted to John Barber in England in 1791. The first gas turbine to successfully run self-sustaining was built in 1903 by Norwegian engineer Ægidius Elling.[3] Such engines did not reach manufacture due to issues of safety, reliability, weight and, especially, sustained operation.

The first patent for using a gas turbine to power an aircraft was filed in 1921 by Frenchman Maxime Guillaume.[4] His engine was an axial-flow turbojet, but was never constructed, as it would have required considerable advances over the state of the art in compressors. Alan Arnold Griffith published An Aerodynamic Theory of Turbine Design in 1926 leading to experimental work at the RAE.

In 1928, RAF College Cranwell cadet Frank Whittle formally submitted his ideas for a turbojet to his superiors.[5] In October 1929 he developed his ideas further.[6] On 16 January 1930 in England, Whittle submitted his first patent (granted in 1932).[7] The patent showed a two-stage axial compressor feeding a single-sided centrifugal compressor. Practical axial compressors were made possible by ideas from A.A.Griffith in a seminal paper in 1926 ("An Aerodynamic Theory of Turbine Design"). Whittle would later concentrate on the simpler centrifugal compressor only. Whittle was unable to interest the government in his invention, and development continued at a slow pace.

Like most of the german "inventions" they wer built on the knowledge of foreigner before them.

Cars:

Benz, likewise, built upon the research of other before him. The first credited internal combustion engine were from a pair of frenchmen, Nicéphore Niépce and his brother Claude, and the first electric vehicule was shown at the Paris expo by another French inventor Gustave Trouvé, 4 years before Benz internal combustion vehicule. He perfected the idea, he didn't create it on his own.

Vaccination:

The smallpox vaccine was invented in 1796 by English physician Edward Jenner and although at least six people had used the same principles years earlier he was the first to publish evidence that it was effective and to provide advice on its production.[7] Louis Pasteur furthered the concept through his work in microbiology.

You didn't invent that either... Those damn Brits and French beat you to it...

 

Lets remind you of what you said, then the alterations you have made in your untruthful reply to me!

So you have changed it from jet engine to jet aircraft and you are still wrong. Frank Whittle invented the first jet engine.

The rocket engine had existed long before the V2, thing of the words of the star spangled banner for starters!

Vaccination was invented by Edward Jenner.

The Germans are a very inventive nation you have no need to make stuff up!

 

Sobo is trolling again...

 

Of course the State Department is part of the US. It is not however the US. You in error said I said 'the US'. I did not I said 'the US State Department. I was correcting you. Now I have to correct you again.

I was not talking about any joint resolution the US might have had, spurred on by Christian Zionists in 1922. I was talking about the position of the US State Department at the time of the UN partition vote - which by the way was never ratified.

However as you are so interested in 1922, here was Churchill's position then.

https://desip.igc.org/fromWhatPriceIsrael.html

This is more how people were talking about it.

Mackay The Atlantic Monthly July 1920

Oh they existed. The Palestinian Muslims, Christians and many Jews who many Zionists saw as sub human.

They were the people that made Weizmann refuse democracy in Palestine. Hark how he sees them beneath European Jews.

Extract from a letter from Chaim Weizmann to Balfour, May 30, 1918.

(see next quote before you get excited)
http://paldocs.net/

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2. The Brits were trying to put Democracy in but the Zionists correctly understood the indigenous people would not agree to give their land away. If the Zionists were going to do that they were going to do it by force to these people they see as inferior.

and contrary to the myths people like to present, they worked their land.

From State of Terror - How terrorism created modern Israel.

Nah although you were given far more than you should have been the partition plan also gave the Palestinians land - that is the indigenous population minus Jews who were traitors also a state. You are very fortunate that they have only been asking for you to go back to pre 67 lines.

You may believe that. Do not say 'we'. I do not and if you were honest you would not either. It was always about Christian Zionism whether they were British or American.They were always using you. Lets look back to the time around 1922 you speak of and who was pushing for putting Jews in Israel - you do realise they are supposed to get all Jews there - but anyway, these are the people.

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.751375!/file/Finney-M-Christian-Zionism.pdf

Zionism was always a Christian Project. I do believe for Jews who practiced Judaism it was a spiritual practice, but getting all the Jews to that part of the world is a Christian Zionist venture, always has been as is Armageddon part of that venture. You are just acting out their dream and it is costing you dear.

Now I am not going to waste more time with you bringing in diversions.

 

From Churchills speach,

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English. His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine. In this connexion, it has been observed with satisfaction that at the meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims 'the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development. ". . . When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance.
https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3

As can clearly be seen the mandated area was called Palestine, and the intention was for a Jewish Home within Palestine.

This shows up Stuntmans untruths and historical revisionism.

 

Yes, but then WW2 happened and proved to the Jews that they were never safe when they were the minority in any countries. They then needed and demanded a country of their own were no one could take their right away. There really wasn't any other option that was acceptable to the jews at that time. You couldn't ask them to return to germany or france or any other countries they came from after they were betrayed by their neighbors and government.

I know it's a bad analogy, but you don't ask an abused woman to go back to the man who abused her and continue to live as if nothing happened.

They saw an opportunity and they took it. The Palestinian also had an opportunity. They could have had the biggest part of the area. After all, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria were also created by foreign entity occupying the area (France and Britain). They went another way and now they're paying for it. The more they resist, the less they have. It's tragic but no one can reverse the trend now. Who's going to invade Israel for the Palestinians? None of their neighbor has the means to do it and no western nation will do it either. The BDS movement has never been effective anywhere unless the superpowers of the world backs it up. And they won't.

 

Nope, we invented it, patented it and lead with it.

Messerschmidt, Wernher von Braun, Benz, Koch.

Thats why Germany rules and France and UK are shitholes

 

Nobody knows those subhumans you talk about.

What star spangled rubbish? You tell me your wahsington had liquid fuel rocket motors that reached space?

The ME was the first functional jet. Thats a simple fact.

Vaccination was invented by Robert Koch.

 

No, I am saying that rocket engines existed long before the V2

Actually it was a Hienkel He 178, you do not even know your own countries facts, let alone the worlds. But again you wrote jet engine and are now simply denying it!

Edward Jenner.

Try again.

 

V2 was first space rocket
Messerschmidt first jet
Vaccines developed by Robert Koch, why you think Germanies leading microbiological institute is named Robert-Koch-Institute?

You propably have bad education over there

 

This isn't really true. In the first poll done on Displaced Jews only 15% wanted to go to Palestine

This book was researched and written by an Israeli. You might want to read it

https://elsc.huji.ac.il/index.php?q=grodzinsky/files/grodzinsky_holocaust_81304.pdf

The US was the first choice for the most Jews but many did want to return to their old countries. If you read that book you will discover Zionists made it very difficult for them. You need to remember that prior to the Holocaust the majority of Jews, certainly Western Jews did not support Zionism.

While clearly there was a responsibility to make sure they were safe, one wrong does not justify another and just on what had been done to European Jews does not justify what has been done to the Palestinians. In reality Roosevelt had decided that something must be put in place for displaced persons in safe places. He asked Britain if they would help and was immediately given a yes. The intent was to find safe places in other countries, for instance Canada and South America. The Zionists called this antisemitism.

https://desip.igc.org/fromWhatPriceIsrael.html

There were other attempts to get new homes for displaced Jews but until the UN agreed the Partition plan, the Zionists would not allow it.

The Zionists would not even allow children who were in camps to come to other countries in Europe where they could be looked after and given help to get over the trauma, for instance in Britain on a program run by British Jews.

 

Again you claimed Rocket engine!

Again you claimed jet engine, and the Hienkel flew before the ME as did the Gloster and Caproni.

Edward Jenner, FRS FRCPE was an English physician and scientist who was the pioneer of smallpox vaccine, the world's first vaccine. The terms "vaccine" and "vaccination" are derived from Variolae vaccinae, the term devised by Jenner to denote cowpox.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=e...69i59j69i60.7109j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Easy.



A tired dad and his hungry infant led to a radical new baby bottle

http://www.cnn.com/2018/10/25/success/nanobebe-startup-fresh-money/index.html

 

Reported for trolling.

 

I'm sorry, but I don't really care about a book written by a third party or the word of so and so. This is a discussion forum. You should be able to present a viewpoint and defend it with your own word.

There was no other wrong. By this I mean the creation of a jewish state on a stateless land isn't a wrong. The arabs could have chosen to create a state for the palestinians at the same time. Jews after WW2 didn't want to be dependant to any other groups or countries. Most of those you cited refused them when they tried to flee to them. The trust was broken. Now nobody will ever decide for the jews.

 

I'll bet you didn't know Jews could do that!

Israel Miracle? Gaza Strip Hamas Complain, ‘Their God Changes The Paths Of Our Rockets In Mid-Air’

It's amazing to me that the average Mohamed or Abdul or Leila gobbles up this **** day after day. After three generations of living in squalor while the people just over the ridge live in luxury, they don't wonder why? They have access to their friends and relatives who live in Israel proper, yet they reject that life for the life of a "refugee" in overcrowded cities run by homicidal kleptocracies.

 

The difference between myself and you is that you simply want to express an opinion. It need have no relation to reality, to the truth. This is post truth politics. I am interested in facts - no doubt something you do not believe exist. For facts, particularly ones which are illustrating a wrong opinion, a usual way to illustrate this is to provide good sources which is what I did. Like I said the difference is you are not interested in reality, in what happened but just in putting your opinion in. You opinion means nothing. Your viewpoint backed up by facts would mean something. You put in what you were claiming were 'facts'. I showed they were not. Opinion may be useful when telling someone whether you like their hairstyle or which would be the better of two holidays to take but on historical fact which is what we were talking about, it is useless. You can take the fact and then say what you think about it and that can still be argued with someone else but to refuse to address the facts of the situation leaves you with no credibility except as someone who only deals in post truth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth_politics