A former Russian military intelligence officer defected to Ukraine and is setting up his own battali

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  1. PARTIZAN1

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    www.businessinsider.com/ex-russia-intelligence-officer-sets-up-pro-ukraine-dissident-battalion-2023-4


    Former Russian military intelligence officer defected to Ukraine and is setting up a battalion of dissidents. The battalion to be called “Siberian battalion" will disrupt Russia from within, founder Vladyslav Ammosov said. A former Russian intelligence officer has defected and says he's setting up a pro-Ukrainian unitThe "Siberian battalion" will disrupt Russia from within, founder Vladyslav Ammosov is "ready to deploy immediately into Russian territory as a part of a sabotage and reconnaissance group and destroy enemies who support Putin.


    Ammosov, who is from the Yakut ethnic group, added that the unit is to be composed of dissect of dissidents from different ethnicities. Russia treats Ethnic minorities like second-class citizens. Also according to Ukrainian outlet FOCUS ethnic minorities are over represented in Russia’s combat losses.


    Hopefully this is the first step of the first ethnic group in Russia that has had enough of Russian mistreatment of ethnic minorities. Mistreatment of minorities by Russians is a historic recurring disease in Russia. The more groups fighting Russia the better the world will be.


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    He has been out of the military for over 8 years now. And announcing a new covert organization before it is even formed seems kind of bass-ackwards to me.
     
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    I saw this too...tough call ATM....I would keep an eye on this dude....he's "former" Russian intell....one never knows whether he's a Trojan horse or some sleeper.
     
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    Yeah. Former, sure. For all you know it's a trap. lol
     
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    Cannot argue with you that announcing an anti Kremlin before forming the organization was out of logical order. The positive I take out of this is that minority groups in Russia may at least be stirring up and tired of being treated as second class citizens.
     
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    I don’t agree that it’s a LOL. I do agree that it is a very possibly a trap. Let it form and arrest or kill off the volunteers. Could be. Very NKVD Stalinist like the more I think of it.
     
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    That is true. Hopefully the Ukie intel people have considered this. Actually the Ukies are more careful than what is on the surface.
     
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    Dude. It's just like a sting operation of the cops when they get a message through to a criminal that they won a price at a certain location, and they get arrested when they show up.
    And true. In this case they probably get killed for treason. So what. I don't owe Russia or Ukraine a thing.

    The US was all upset about how Russia was interfering in their elections. While the US and the west as a whole did interfere massively in Ukraine to get a coup going and than interfered in their elections to be specifically anti Russia. And as a result of that, we're in a mess. Thanks.
     
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    I did say it is not LOL funny! Here is a thought. If this is to be a sting which I have stated is very possible except for this. This “battalion “ is not forming in Russia. To be an effective sting operation you need to trap your target on turf you control. This supposedly is part of Foreign Fighters group fighting against Putin. Notice that I said “supposedly”.

    The Russians invading Ukraine is the ultimate interference in a foreign country. The US is supporting Ukraine with war materials at the invitation of Ukraine. That is not interference. If the US invaded Russia that could possibly be interference.
    Your accusation of US interference would be laughable if it was not such a ridiculously wrong statement.

    Hey dude get real.
     
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    Oh heck no. As if Russia cares where a line is drawn in the sand. lol



    The west was fueling the coup in Ukraine and got a pro western government elected prior to the invasion.
    Just because you're not replying to that, doesn't make it go away that the west started this all.
    To your comment about, but the Russians started the invasion, is like /care.
     
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    The Democratic forces convinced Yanukovich the Petro Russia traitor to leave. There was no coup. Yanukovich did not want to move Ukraine towards the EU and he betrayed Ukraine by doing Putin’s bidding of not wanting Ukraine to join NATO.

    Look at the facts there was no coup the Ukrainians convinced Yanukovich to go. Simple as that. Ukraine did not want to be a colony of Russia or put another way a Belarus.
     
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    There of course are odd factors with this “Siberian battalion”. If I was part of the Ukrainian security service or military I would figure out how to have them hit the Wagnerite criminal organization.
     
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    Wait & see....afaic....like I said could be sleepers or come Trojan horse....a thorough vetting maybe?
     
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    Trojan Horse is possible. I do agree.
     
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    You are accusing the US of interference for being invited to help Ukraine after being invaded. You do understand that invading a fkregn country is the ultimate interference. Of course you ignore that point.
     
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    Yanukovich, who got elected, fled the country. The "protesters" fueled by the west turned the main square into a war zone, among places. They made BLM riots look like a walk in the park. That's a coup. The end. Your idea that he should have stuck around and find out how he would be lynched to only than agree it's a coup is just ridiculous.
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    Oh please....have you seen BLM riots?

    This is Maidan Square where the protests were largely confined too.....BLM burns the city almost.
     
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    Yanukovich received Russian security and special forces who murdered demonstrators using sniper fire. Yanukovich unleashed the police on the demonstrators. The reason the Maidan looks like a war zone is because the demonstrators had to build barriers since Yanukovich brought in pro Russian criminals from the east to attack the demonstrators.

    Here are points of absolute truth
    It is none of Russia’s business even it it was a coup. The Yanukovich government was a Ukrainian government so Russia legally has no say if Yanukovich stayed or went.


    Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia committed war crimes in Ukraine. Russia is a terrorist state. Russia violated international law by invading Ukraine.
     
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    Hell no.
    I am accusing the west of interfering PRIOR to the war in Ukraine. Heck, you can skip the accusing.
    It's a fact that they did. That set of the war.
     
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    Utter BS. Almost all BLM protests were actually totally peaceful.
    Go look it up / You've been had.

    While the protests in Ukraine were totally out of control. And the West fueled them to get a coup happen.
    And they did. The elected president fled the nation in fear for his life.
     
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    I have told you this a few times and you are either difficulty understanding or do not want to listen to the truth. Russia has interfered with Ukrainian elections right from the start. Invasion of a neighboring country is the ultimate interference. It is none of Russia’s business who is president of Ukraine. Russia influencing Ukraine’s elections is interference.
     
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    Before claiming someone's "been had".....maybe YOU should do some research before making a silly claim.

    I've got more vids showing damage across the nation. Just let me know.




     
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    The Muscovites complain about Ukraine voting to move closer to the west, but they have only their corrupt, imperialistic selves to blame. It's not our fault that our way of life is superior to that of Muscovy and other such authoritarian shitholes and therefore attracts people from all over the world. You look at how good life is in Europe versus the poverty, corruption and hopelessness of Muscovy, and it's pretty obvious why the Ukrainians would rather look westward than eastward. They're done with being Muscovy's bitch, same as the Baltics and so many other eastern European countries, and who can blame them for that? Again, only the imperialists who desperately want to control Ukrainian territory.
     
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    There's Nazi types have certainly been cagey
     
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    Why are you calling the former Russian military officer Vladyslav Ammosov who is an ethnic Buryat a Nazi?
     

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