A Time to Kill

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by bricklayer, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    What has adopting or not got to do with your views on adopting? You can't ask yourself if there's so many pro-"lifers" why are there still children not adopted?


    No one said it was. Why so defensive, I'm just pointing out that A. Adoption isn't that easy peasy answer and B. pointing out that pro-"lifers" don't always put their money where their mouth is.


    Because I know what women go through with pregnancy and child birth and all the ensuing problems.....


    You could help the women get access to affordable, safe birth control and/or safe affordable abortions so they can get out of poverty.


    Yup, if lawmakers try to take away women's right to their own bodies they should revolt.



    Abortion is legal? free health care? everyone gets to go to college to earn a good living without crushing education debt? Affordable birth control?
     
  2. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not interested.




    No you don't.




    All of those millions? I don't think so. My monthly pension will never cover it.



    I'm not talking specifically about women, and the question of who decides what over any woman's body is a minor point anyway.





    Among other things, yes.
     
  3. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Errors occur in regular human cells too. Cancers just have particular errors where the cell replicates uncontrollably. The key issue isn't whether it is of human origin but whether it has a mind in terms of deciding if it is an ethically relevant entity. The early fetus, individual cells, and cancers do not meet this standard. The mother does.
     
  4. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Gee, you seemed to be....:)



    Prove it.





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    I didn't ask you to do it all by yourself......are you always this confused?

    The question of who decides about women's bodies is NOT a minor point if you're a woman! Only if you're a misogynist.




    Good, it isn't like that in all countries and certainly not in the US...
     
  5. bricklayer

    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [QUOTE Murder is the killing of a person.[/QUOTE]

    No, it is not. Murder is the unjust killing of a human being.
    Because a person is a being with intellect, emotion and volition a good argument can be made that many no human animals are persons.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not being able to do all, or even more, is no good reason to not do what you can.
     
  7. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    I agree. So Pro-"life" people should do what they can. Have they all adopted kids?

    Have they all called their congress person and told them not to close clinics where women can access affordable , safe birth control?
     
  8. Maccabee

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    As early as five months the unborn can survive with care. Also you can't put anyone, unborn, newborn, or 80 year old on a shelf and let him/her survive on its own. What a stupid argument. Lets put you on a self and leave you to your own devices. Oh and you can't leave the shelf.
     
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    NOPE!!!!!!
    One can oppose the homicide of another without having to subsequently support the would be victim in the wake. To suggest one who opposes the homicide of another is automatically responsible for the support of the surviving would be victim is absurd!

     
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    No, it is not. Murder is the unjust killing of a human being.
    Because a person is a being with intellect, emotion and volition a good argument can be made that many no human animals are persons.[/QUOTE]

    No, it is the ILLEGAL killing of a human being/person by a person.
     
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    Homicide, however, is the killing of a human being by another or group of others. Abortion is OBVIOUSLY a homicide, and that makes it the business of all of society and not just one woman.

    No, it is the ILLEGAL killing of a human being/person by a person.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Zefs aren't human beings, so no, abortion is not homicide.
     
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    That's what you inferred from my post? You inferred, from my post, that I would have such a standard imposed upon others?
    I don't condemn everything I don't condone. I tolerate almost everything in others that I condemn in myself. On the other hand, all talk and absolutely NO action will never get my respect. Rather than mischaracterizing those who have done what they could, do what you can. I shared my story to encourage others to their best. Why did you take the shot you took? What have you done?
     
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    Legal and illegal have nothing to do with whether or not a homicide is murder. Any form of homicide one can think of has been, at times, in places, perfectly legal. We each have a responsibility to pick and choose which laws we obey. Legal and illegal have nothing to do with right and wrong, or good and evil, or moral and immoral, or murder and justifiable homicide.
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It has *everything* to do with it.

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    There is zilch survival at 20 weeks (5 months).
     
  19. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    For Pete's sake a month has on average 4 full weeks. That chart shows a baby can survive at 21 weeks.
     
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    They actually are, even according to federal law. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act.! Read it!


     
  21. FoxHastings

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    Why should she read it ? YOU haven't.......you have NO IDEA what it is about ...none, zip, zero.......
     
  22. Thingamabob

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    I am not.

    The burden of proof is yours.

    Confused about what?

    Name-calling doesn't change the fact that your point is a minor one.

    I repeat: That's not my fault.
     
  23. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Not much there but A. YOU claimed pregnancy doesn't harm women, you prove it. B. You still insist that women having the right to their own bodies is a minor point, that IS misogynistic.... C. your funniest comment was "Confused about what ? "" :roflol:
     
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    A really insightful response. :applause:
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your imagination has been released from all confinement and is running wild.
     
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