A United Kingdom

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  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Funny isn't two of the poorest blokes you'll find in the country, and neither of us hate bankers.

    Poor old Labour. Really don't get it.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry you just blew what little credibility you had, Cocaine and weed dealers says it all, your a fraud. Goodnight!
     
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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    Funny boy.

    Last rebate I had was in 1988. They cocked it up and until they uncock it up...that's it for me.
    A company I worked for went bust before doing my p45 or whatever it was they were supposed to do.
    I used to be on emergency tax because of that. Which was high rate on low income. These days I can get the tax code right. Rebate. lol.
    uh huh.
    Do I get that before or after the council tax discount I eligible for but can't get?

    There was a day when this would even upset me. Long since passed. I go deaf. That sort of help I can do without.

    I tried starving to save money. Turned out to be a better option. Needs be I'll do it again before wasting my time. Hunger makes me meaner. Keener to work.
     
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  4. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clearly you have no idea of what the poorest in the UK are.
     
  5. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Have to sign on in the morning?
    I want to talk.
    You're obviously against giving those on JSA food stamps to save them from wasting their benefits on illegal drug addictions.
     
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    You believe someone who doesn't work who has a family isn't a charity case.
     
  7. Colonel K

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    There's a majority in the House of Commons for remain now. Lets do that, since Brexit has put us even further down **** street than before, and it hasn't even started yet! To think of supporting the party that trebled the debt despite the many suffering austerity for seven years while the few Tory banksters carry on as normal is unthinkable.
     
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    Shows what you know.
    My tramp mates make what I make in a day in one hour of begging. Heroine isn't cheap!
    My unemployed drug dealer mate claims in benefits alone, three times what I see in a year.

    Sign on mate, you'll make more than me. Get a minimum wage job and you will earn more than me.
    I compete with pollacks for work and I get it by undercutting them.
     
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    There has always been a majority for the EU in the house of commons. Just never a majority for it in the country.
    So no, lets not do that. Lets instead live in a representative democracy for the first time in 30 years.

    Hence the referendum, Parliament was failing to represent us, thus we had to represent ourselves. And we have done so.
    Representation complete. The will of the people of this country is known. Remainers in parliament? Swallow it or resign.
     
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    The referendum was inconclusive, a virtual draw. Now that people have had a glimpse of the future, why would the turkeys vote forr Christmas?
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another one just making up interesting stories!
     
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    Baff Well-Known Member

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    What;'s your story then mate?
    Hey?

    Why don't you put your life out there so we can all take the piss out of you instead?
    Call you a liar.

    Answer? I think Rhetoric has your number.
     
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    Because it is a future we prefer to the past we have just had.

    The referendum is conclusive. It was not a draw.
    And winning by one percent is not a win. so re-running it doesn't help you. Because what you have done by undemocratically joining the EU when democracy told you not , is to piss off 15 million people all at the same time all on the same issue. And now you cannot rule them. They have unified against you.
    You have broken society.

    And since they outnumber you and their anger is very mighty indeed. They are now ruling you. And if you don't like it the only thing left you can do about this is abandon democracy entirely and declare civil war.
    So bloody bring it. Do it.

    We'll give you what we give Muslim bombers.

    Be that turkey. Vote for that Christmas. It can be yours.
     
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    Sure,
    Born in a Welsh mining village,
    Brought up in St Pauls in Bristol.
    Left school at sixteen,
    Went in the Navy, got injured.
    Worked as a pinball engineer for a very small company.
    Manager of an amusement arcade in Newquay
    Joined Rank and worked my way up to National Service Manager.
    Got an MBA through work.
    Went into management training.
    Started my own company operating boxing machines.
    Sold it for lots.
    Bought a old hotel, converted to flats and rooms. Nice little earner thanks.
    Along side all this I worked as a doorman and in security.
    So I have seen the bottom of the pond and the top, when you talk **** about drugs and stuff it screams out to me.
    But I can tell you the worse thing you ever have to do is make a man redundant because of the ineptitude of government and management. Especially if he is in his 50's and can see no future for himself. I have had good, honest, hard men, begging me for work, in tears,I have had 200 applications for a van driver when you have only one job. Guys with top qualifications as engineers prepared to hump fruit machines about just to provide for their family, so do not give me this bullshit about lazy bastards scrounging, because for each one of them I saw ten desperate for a job.
    Oh, and I have never signed on the dole, but that was purely through luck, so I will not denigrate those who have not been as lucky as me.
    The one thing your average working man aspires to is job security, being able to plan for the future. Since 1979 no political party has represented that man.
     
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    So you think sending the whole payroll industry to the job centre along with nuclear defence is okay because you want to cheer Labour?
    Banning payroll companies will make a whole industry made redundant but never mind that, you're too hurt by the PM to lend her your support when she's the one leading us now, not Corbyn.
    When your lack of support will weaken the country over Brexit. You want to play party loyalty at a time like Brexit? You're just as selfish as Jeremy Corbyn.
    During Brexit his pride his ego his movement won't let us have rest and have stability.

    Payroll industry is not like coal.
    Coal is a fossil fuel that pollutes and is not a renewable energy.
    Payroll industry is a way to employ easier and get paid easier than being self employed.
    All because you've got a score to settle over the loss of the miners perhaps, doesn't mean you get to take it away from those fortunate enough with jobs and those in an industry that helps the working class.
     
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    Lets get this straight, you have swallowed the Tory press whole, Labours manifesto does not call for the scrapping of either the payroll industry or nuclear defence. May had a working majority, but she saw an opportunity to hammer the Labour party and improve her position in the Tory party. She did not call an election for anything other than the good of herself, so do not complain of my lack of support for the evil conniving bitch. Do not use the patriotism card to help someone who has ****ed up the country because of her greed and pomposity. She is a traitor to everyone in this country, she can go take a flying **** at the moon.
     
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    RIGHTS AT WORK
    The next Labour government will bring in a 20-point plan for security and equality at work:

    1. Give all workers equal rights from day one, whether part-time or full-time, temporary or permanent - so that working conditions are not driven down.
    2. Ban zero hours contracts – so that every worker gets a guaranteed number of hours each week.
    3. Legislate to ensure that any employer wishing to recruit labour from abroad does not undercut workers at home – because it causes divisions when one workforce is used against another.
    4. Repeal the Trade Union Act and roll out sectoral collective bargaining – because the most effective way to maintain good rights at work is collectively through a union.
    5. Guarantee trade unions a right to access workplaces – so that unions can speak to members and potential members.
    6. Propose four new public holidays - bringing our country together to mark our four national patron saints’ days. These will be additional to statutory holiday entitlement so that workers in Britain get the same proper breaks as in other countries.
    7. Raise the Minimum Wage to the level of the Living Wage (expected to be at least £10 per hour by 2020) – for all workers aged 18 or over, so that work pays.
    SELF-EMPLOYED WORKERS
    Self-employment can bring many benefits, freedoms and flexibilities to people – and is a vital and often entrepreneurial sector of our economy.

    But there is also mounting evidence that workers are being forced into self-employment by unscrupulous employers to avoid costs and their duties to workers. Labour will clamp down on bogus self-employment by:
    • Shifting the burden of proof, so that the law assumes a worker is an employee unless the employer can prove otherwise.
    • Imposing punitive fines on employers not meeting their responsibilities, helping to deter others from doing the same.
    • Involving trade unions in enforcement, e.g. by giving them a seat on the executive board of the new Ministry of Labour.
    • Giving the Ministry of Labour the resources to enforce all workers’ rights.
    • Banning payroll companies, sometimes known as umbrella companies, which create a false structure to limit employers’ tax
    http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto2017/fair-deal-at-work
    The problem with Labour is, its supporters don't know what they're supporting.
     
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    I'd rather employ people under the conservative government thank you very much than cough up at least £10.00 per hour and have Westminster bully me if I don't.
    I'd also like to retain my relationships with these payroll companies too.

    It's okay though because I quoted a failed Labour manifesto from a greedy tyrant who only thinks of himself during this country's time of need.
     
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    I have an idea to make work pay that won't drive up the cost of labour to £10.00 an hour and will also save us on our welfare bill; We stop paying benefit money and start awarding benefit stamps that are good for food and clothes and school uniforms and heating - that way work is the only way that pays and those in need don't go without.
     
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    No the problem is you do not read what is there, zero hours contracts and payroll companies are not the "Payroll Industry". Agency work and casual labour have and always will exist. Tax dodging and employing people as agency workers to avoid workers rights are the problem that Labour wishes to address.
    Tax avoidance costs much more than benefit fraud, but you have bought into the undeserving poor BS peddled by the Tories!
     
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    Payroll companies might find it hard to operate if their trade has been banned, they're an industry full of competition.
    They make agency work easier too as well as finding labour.
     
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    Tax avoidance is legal, benefit fraud is never legal.
     
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    If their trade is tax avoidance they will be banned or have to adapt to provide their services without screwing you and me out of the tax the country requires. Tax avoidance costs this country much more than benefit fraud, but you wish to protect it, some patriot you are!
     
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    Tax avoidance is a loophole in the law, stopping it will save the country more than benefit fraud.
     
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    It's what makes GREAT BRITAIN GREAT!
    Now we want to go that one step closer and be like The Principality of Monaco or the State of Delaware in Theresa May's vision for Global Britain.
    You want to make the country weak, and socialist and implement a system that stifles employers.
     

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