You're very welcome. Long before the term " the holocaust" was created, I remember a former Russian woman ( a "White Russian" vs a "Red Russian") who survived WW2 would visit my mother after she had a night of especially horrifying nightmares of her wartime experiences. This woman was a pampered but well educated teenager when, one night, the "Reds" burned her home and executed her family. Throughout the entire war, she was captured by all the various armies and remained adamant that the Germans were by far her most compassionate and sympathetic captors. It was, perhaps, her eyewitness accounts that first caused me to question the omnipresent anti German propaganda in virtually all US media in the 1950s. This was when "everybody knew" that the Germans made "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap" and other outrageous lies generated by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium. The same professional liars have admitted that some lies they told ware false but still hang on to other equally outrageous lies. I later joined the US Army, ended up in Laos and afterward moved to Europe, walked and hitch hiked through the Balkans, Turkey and the Mid East. Even though I had numerous unpleasant experiences over the decades and around the world, I feel that most people are generally good. Because much my time in Europe was spent living, working and studying in Germany, I had the opportunity to meet and learn from numerous WW2 survivors, holocaust survivors and Veterans of various nationalities. Not one of these numerous individuals related any experience that is consistent with today's Hollywood - Holocaust Industry narrative. You're right, I am lucky to live in the US where one can openly reject the slanderous lies about the intrinsically "evil Germans". With that right, I feel, comes the responsibility to defend those individuals whose government denies them the right to defend themselves so that's why I feel it incumbent upon me to refute profit and pity mongering lies targeting the German people who have already endured far more misery than they have inflicted.
Hello Jazz, You were wondering why the Jewish authorities permitted Richard Krege's team to do research in all the areas that were alleged to contain "mass graves". The answer is simple, he didn't think to ask the Jewish authorities or local rabbi and, I assume he only asked the museum authorities before he carried out his 6 day project and found nothing. You're right, I'm sure that the Jewish authorities would have prohibited his research if he had thought to ask them even though there are circumstances in Jewish law which permit the examination and moving of Jewish graves. As you know, Richard Krege and his team used an $80,000- Ground Penetration Radar (GPR) device, visual soil inspections and an auger to take soil core samples in all the areas which are claimed to be the "mass graves" that are supposed to contain the remains of about 850,000 people(*) Re: If you were to read closely Section 96 from the source you cited (The Six Million; Fact or Fiction) you will see that Paval Leleko's tortured testimony is self contradictory, exaggerated, and confused. Additionally, Paval Leleko claims that 2 million people were killed at Treblinka, that Germans cut off women's breasts with swords and other statements so outrageous that no one believes them. Re: I haven't seen a textbook in decades but I'm aware that the highly influential Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium remains desperate in its attempt to brainwash as many gullible individuals as possible(1). Fortunately, there will always be people who use their critical thinking skills to see through what is perhaps the most grotesque conspiracy theory in modern history(2) (*) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves" https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php (1) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill" https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/ (2) "SHOCK: District’s ‘critical thinking’ assignment led at least 50 students to conclude Holocaust never occurred" http://eagnews.org/shock-districts-...tudents-to-conclude-holocaust-never-occurred/ RIALTO, Calif. – An eighth-grade English assignment that was meant to develop students’ critical thinking skills has, instead, created some 50 new Holocaust deniers. In May, Rialto Unified School District leaders came under intense criticism after it was revealed the district’s roughly 2,000 eighth-grade students were given an in-class essay assignment in which they were asked to consider if the Holocaust was “an actual historical event” or if it might have been “a propaganda tool that was used for political and monetary gain.” One student declared there was no way the Holocaust occurred because the Nazis “would have had to have killed 187 people an hour in order to kill 6 million people. Therefore it is impossible.” Another flatly asserted that the Holocaust is “a profitable hoax made by the Jews to obtain land, money and power.” One student concluded: “With the evidence that was given to me, it clearly was obvious” that the Holocaust never occurred “and I wouldn’t know why anyone would think otherwise.” Several students based their skepticism on arguments put forth by discredited Holocaust denier Fred A. Leuchter, who has argued the Nazis never used gas chambers to kill Jews. One student wrote that if the Nazis “would have even experimented these so called gas chambers the Nazis would have died also, so I do not believe in gas chambers.” Another made a similar argument: “if gassing would have occurred everyone (nearby) would have died, because the floors had cracks in the floor and holes in the wall.” Still another asserted “there is no significant cyanide traces in any of the alleged gas chambers. So any open minded person can easily be persuaded to believe that the gassings were a Hoax.” Some students even used the “evidence” provided by their teachers to declare that “The Diary of Anne Frank” – the first-hand account of Nazi atrocities that students had been assigned to read earlier – was a fraud."CONTINUED
No, he was not a prophet, or he would have seen the trap he walked into! He was a great orator and an idealist/romanticist. Very generous as well! He took pity on the poor Brits at Dunkirk and let them go home again, all 340 000 of them, to rest up and refresh themselves. Often I do wonder what Hitler should have done to avoid the war. In hindsight it is easy to see that the big Three, Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt were in cahoots with each other to bring Hitler down. Poland willingly played the victim and was awarded the biggest chunk of German land. There is no magic answer. Germany was sitting on an island, so to speak, encircled by hostile sharks who would have found a reason to attack sooner or later anyway. The "Big Lie" serves as a placeholder to pin the Germans down forever or until they have been thoroughly mixed with other races.
Tonight I have only a little time left to respond to your answers. While cruising on the Net I came upon a new report of NOVEMBER 17, 2019 about digging at Treblinka, this time a Polish initiated undertaking... Mass grave found at Nazi forced-labor camp Treblinka I Experts are determining the number and size of the burial pits in the location, near the more well-known Treblinka II death camp, before exhuming and attempting to identify the bodies. The Institute of National Remembrance and a team of experts have unearthed a mass grave in a camping ground adjacent to the Nazi forced-labor camp known as Treblinka I, the director of the Chief Commission for the Prosecution of Crimes against the Polish Nation said on Thursday. Within the four sq.m. grave, the team found human remains among shells of bullets and pieces of clothing and other belongings, after removing just 10-15 cm. of top soil - at about the depth of the grass roots, according to Polish newsite Polsat News. @#$%^&*()_ I am being blocked by the Israeli cyber police from copying more!!! Here is the link for you to read the rest of the article: https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Mass-grave-found-at-Nazi-forced-labor-camp-Treblinka-I-608095 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Then I found a link of interest, but unrelated to Treblinka: https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/wehr02.htm
Maybe I did, but I think my position is clear. I'm a Palestine-related anti-Semite. European Jews have no business in Palestine. They belong in Europe, not in the Middle East. Israel as a Jewish ethnocracy must be abolished. Otherwise, there will never be peace.
The truly disturbing part is that justice as served by those who took control of europe is not blind but instead dictatorially blinds the people. That has never and will never work long term for any government, but it did work long enough to create organizations bent on their cause, and place people in positions to assure and maintain iron fist control presently expanding worldwide, and that same cancer has come to a theater near you as we speak.
Thanks for submitting more information regarding graves in Poland. There are several reasons that this finding does nothing to confirm the myth that 850,000 people were killed at Treblinka 2, buried, dug up, burned and reburied. - The 4 sq.m. grave is too distant from what are alleged to be the mass grave site and hardly large enough to be classified as a "mass grave". - Since Krege's debunking of this holocaust story, the regional Jewish authorities have forbidden any more research to be done on what may be Jewish graves. - The Treblinka holocaust myth asserts that the 850,000 victims were killed by diesel fumes from a single Soviet tank engine, not by shooting. - Grave sites are scattered all over Poland with some of them dating back to Napoleon and even older. - It would be naive to think that no one was executed at or around Treblinka 1 and Treblinka 2 during WW2 so this finding does nothing to prove that 850,000 were executed, buried, dug up, burned and reburied as per the standard holocaust myth. - Finally, it would be equally naive to rule out financially motivated fraud as Poland just recently began a campaign to extort hundreds of $Billions from Germany(1). The timing of this recent discovery is somewhat suspicious. (1) "WWII wounds remain as Poland seeks German reparations 80 years on" https://www.thelocal.de/20190828/wwii-wounds-remain-as-poland-seeks-german-reparations-80-years-o EXCERPT "Eight decades after the first Nazi bombs fell on Poland, echoes of the blasts can be heard in the bickering between Warsaw and Berlin over the possibility of billions of euros in war reparations." CONTINUED
Yes, I heard about Poland's demands for more reparations. Am not sure if they already got some payments. But that aside, what does "4 sq.m. grave" mean? Are they talking about meters or miles? It definitely would be miles, and that means an area of 2 miles long and 2 miles wide. If I picture that in comparison with our farm, I would think that is an enormous grave and could easily hold the 850,000 bodies. 4 sq.m. = 2650 acres!!! Dear Grau, are you still sure a grave of this size would not be big enough? In a mass grave the bodies get even piled on top of each other. Think again! Why do you believe the site would be too far away from Treblinka I or II? I'm sure they used tractors instead of wheelbarrows to transport the corpses. You further think it would be naive the believe nobody was executed in Treblinka. Of course, some rowdies might have gotten shot, but remember, Treblinka was a transit camp and existed only for 15 months. In order for the Germans to kill 850 000 in 15 months, they must have had several shooting stations, and as the trains came rolling in with the human cargo, they were shot immediately and then by bulldozers shoved into the ready-dug mass grave area. I envision a non-stop operation that worked with precision. In addition they used one lonely Russian diesel tractor to suffocate the prisoners! Diesel fumes are not that toxic and it takes a long time to half-kill a human being. Why they were dug out again later and then cremated is beyond my understanding! What a mess and stench that must have been! Of course, they would have used prisoners to do the job. Do you know about any such reports from survivor prisoners? BUT in 2019, that is more than 75 years later, they finally find the proper grave and discover bodies, clothing, gun shells and bone fragments. Hallelujah! Germany's crime can finally be proven without the shadow of a doubt!!
I am !! Kokomojojo, you are a clever little fellow, no doubt, but how do you know all that? Have you got a link or two? Please, share it with me... I am so naive!
You seriously think that without a Jewish state there will be peace in the Middle East? Cute. 5-years-old-ish kind of cute.
Dear Jazz, yes, a 4 square mile mass grave would be enormous. However, I'm 99.9% sure that "m." means meters, not miles and the remains found outside the alleged mass grave site could be bodies of any era and nationality since the Communists had control of the area for decades while they conspired with the Western Allies to fabricate anti-German atrocity propaganda and set the stage for extorting $Billions from post War Germany. I think that it is also noteworthy that the Polish "Institute of National Remembrance" is run by the same Polish government that is currently trying to extort Germany for about $850 Billion dollars. It has also recently become a crime in Poland to assert that the Poles had any role in any WW2 atrocities in spite of the numerous well documented Polish massacres of German nationals in Danzig and elsewhere that led to the start of WW2 and occurred during & after WW2.. You're right in that the standard holocaust myth alleges that 50 guards with a single Russian tank engine are supposed to have killed about 850,000 people in a period of 15 months and made all the remains disappear. It's shocking that anyone would be so gullible as to believe something so impossible. With only casual research it becomes abundantly clear that attempting to kill people with diesel fumes is perhaps the least effective means of execution and would take forever. From what I've read, recently, Germany does not intend to pay Poland the money it seeks but the descendants of alleged holocaust survivors seem to have gotten in on the crass extortion racket.(1), (2), (3) They all claim that "it's not about the money". If so, why is no amount of money ever enough? (1) "80 years on, Austria’s Jews renew demand for Holocaust reparations" https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/news/world_news/years-on-austria-s-jews-renew-demand-for-holocaust-reparations/article_20c2a8b0-3725-5281-9c09-2c0751fae4c2.html (2) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees" https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800 EXCERPT "Suit, filed in Tel Aviv, seeks funds to pay for biweekly therapy sessions for up to 20,000 affected by the scars of their parents. The lawsuit marks the very first time that the German government will be asked to take responsibility and to care for those of the second generation in Israel and indeed, worldwide, attorney Gideon Fisher said before filing the suit at the Tel Aviv District Court."CONTINUED (3) “Holocaust survivor wants compensation from Germany for rail journeys to death camps” https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/europe/german-railway-holocaust-scli-intl/index.html
Ah, of course I know about that, but that is not world-wide. Also "near my theater as we speak" puzzles me. You mean my neighbors? True is that the Jewish people, also called Zionists, do control North- and South-America, besides all of Europe. They are presently working on China. Here is an interesting article... https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/china-and-the-jews/ Excerpts: “Well, let’s hope the Chinese are smart enough to avoid the fate of the Americans. America is now little more than a slave colony dominated by Jews. That the Americans were unable to learn from history—from the complete takeover of Germany and Russia by the Bolshevik brigade—is a sad reflection on the American character. .... Franklin Ryckaert expressed the hope that the Chinese, for their own sakes, would be a bit smarter than the dopey Americans who had allowed themselves to be sold down the river.
To be sure, a "4 sq.m. grave" would be a mini version of a mini mass grave, with likely no more than about 12 to 15 corpses in it. Tonight I went on a search for statements and remarks from Ursula Haverbeck You might remember the old Lady, who, at age 90, had to go to jail for two years. Anyway, I was lucky and found something I had not yet heard about in such clear words. I am going to quote an excerpt from an article which mentions briefly Treblinka etc.: And now come some remarks from Warren Routledge, author of the must-read book Holocaust High Priest: Elie Wiesel, Night, the Memory Cult & the Rise of Revisionism. Read full article here: https://aletheia4astraea.wordpress.com/2016/04/23/ursula-haverbeck/ In my following post I will highlight the author Warren Routledge, a most remarkable American man.
Dear Grau and Kokomojoko; here is a book for you: Holocaust High Priest: Elie Wiesel, "Night," the Memory Cult, and the Rise of Revisionism. Warren B. Routledge, PhD., is the pen name of a retired U.S. university professor of humanities. He taught for over forty years and held tenured positions at three major U.S. universities. "Holocaust High Priest" weaves together five compelling and interrelated narratives. The book's main concern is to present the world's first unauthorized biography of Elie Wiesel. It shines the light of truth on the mythomaniac who, in the 1970s, transformed the word "Holocaust" and made it the brand name of the world's greatest hoax: the unfounded claim by an extremist segment of World Jewry to the effect that the German government's wartime policy of territorial transfer of Europe's Jews out of the Reich was in actuality an "extermination program." In these pages, both Wiesel's personal deceits and the whole myth of "the six million" are mercilessly exposed and laid bare for the reader's perusal. Unfortunately, Zionist control of the U.S. Government as well as the nation's media and academic apparatus has allowed Wiesel and his fellow extremists to force a string of U.S. presidents to genuflect before this imposter as symbolic acts of subordination to World Jewry, while simultaneously forcing U.S. school children to submit to Holocaust brainwashing by their teachers. The second strand involves close readings of several of Wiesel's published texts, with emphasis on his alleged "autobiography," the novel "Night." The author demonstrates Wiesel's appalling ignorance of both the physical details and layouts of the Auschwitz and Buchenwald camps, and this ignorance also extends to German administrative protocols and procedures. Amazingly, the novel's chronology of the events said to have "really happened" in the author's life is also disjointed, confusing and internally contradictory. The author also shows the role played by the meme of "retroactive continuity" in the telling of the Holocaust story. The third strand involves an historical account of the rise of Holocaust revisionism mainly in the U.S. and France in response to the many obvious lies contained in the Jewish Holocaust narrative. From the sudden appearance of the revisionist work of Profs. Butz and Faurisson in the 1970s, through the Zündel trials of the 1980s, to the work of contemporary revisionists like Bradley R. Smith, Germar Rudolf, Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues and others today, this study shows, through the words of the Holocaustian extremists themselves, how effective the revisionists have been in demolishing their lies. The fourth strand shows how certain ambitious and unscrupulous U.S. Catholic intellectuals have hitched a ride on the Holocaust bandwagon as a means of advancing their careers. Ritual denunciation of the alleged "silence" of Pope Pius XII is unfortunately very much a part of this behavior. Finally, the fifth strand concerns all those U.S. Jews, young and old, who have been turned off by one or another aspect of the Holocaust story and its use within the U.S. Jewish community, but who never criticize it openly for non-Jewish ears. As for younger U.S. Jews, Rabbi Jacob Neusner has been pointing out for years that it has not kept them Jewish. What he calls the "Holocaust and Redemption" cult within U.S. Jewry has contributed to a pronounced abandonment of Jewish identity through intermarriage with non-Jews at percentages never before seen or even imagined. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25460607-holocaust-high-priest It is apparently also available on Amazon: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/08/bezos-denial/
Yes, I'm sure that the "mass grave" mentioned in your earlier link about Treblinka is 4 square meters, not 4 square miles and there are bound to be countless war related graves all over Poland dating back to the time of Napoleon and even earlier. After Richard Krege and his team used GPR (ground Penetrating Radar) and augers to determine that there were no mass graves at Treblinka, the Smithsonian sent C.S. Colls and a British group of researchers and they, too, found no evidence of mass graves. In their zeal to find something, they only succeeded in humiliating themselves by confusing a tile maker's mark with the Star of David which, they said, proved that they had found a homicidal gas chamber. To this date, there is absolutely no evidence that Treblinka was anything more than what the Germans claimed it was: a transfer station. I am also familiar with the inexcusable persecution of Ursula Haverbeck and thank you for the excellent link which I'll read/watch later. It is as revealing as it is shocking that the influential, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry has succeeded in pressuring 17 "Democracies" to enact draconian "holocaust denial laws". I say "revealing" because it only underscores the fact that the standard holocaust myth cannot be factually defended. It is encouraging that in spite of the monumental brainwashing effort by these same governments along with the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium, only about 1/3 of the world's population (1) that has heard of the holocaust actually believes the outright lies about "6 million Jews murdered", homicidal gas chambers and a German genocidal agenda. I suspect that far fewer people believe the fraudulent holocaust narrative but are afraid to speak up out of fear of persecution in these 17 "democracies". Since younger generations are "much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”, I think that it's only a matter of time before the holocaust myth is exposed for the lie that is. I don't think that the truth about really happened before, during and after WW2 will be widely exposed in my lifetime because too many influential people, entities and even nations have so much invested in this lie that is so fragile that it cannot endure honest examination and open discussion. Thanks, again for the informative links and I look forward to reading more from Warren Routledge. ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
You can't even write honestly. You intended to mean Jews of European ancestry. However in your previous posts you have stated Jews from anywhere do not belong in Israel which you call Palestine and you do not believe Jews have a right to live anywhere. You have been on this forum with a handful of white supremacists posing such bigotry for years. Your assertions are a joke. They are based on subjective hatred.
You are part of a handful/clique of white supremacists whose posts contain hate and bigotry posed as dialogue. Their content, which simply spews subjective hatred speaks for itself.
Again the above demonstrates this thread has nothing to do with the Middle East at all. The fact that a quote from Hitler and a byline that Hitler is a profit was cut and paste onto the thread shows this is about baiting Jews and insulting Jews nothing to do with the Middle East. Its about denying the holocaust and trying to insult Jews. Its unfortunate its allowed on the forum and not considered trolling and off topic. It doesn't promote discussion it shows contempt for discussion. I did ask the moderator to consider why they are allowing this thread to go on and such cut and pastes that do not address the Middle East. I doubt I will get an answer.
Instead of slandering other individuals, evading substantive discussion and pestering the moderators to censor this thread why don't you attempt to write something on topic? We both know the answer. The reason you won't write anything on topic is that it is impossible for you to validate the most heavy hyped conspiracy theory in modern history while other mass tragedies go unmentioned. Please feel free to attempt to refute anything I've written that shows that the holocaust story is little more than immensely profitable anti German propaganda. As I have shown over the previous pages, there is absolutely no hard evidence that the WW2 era Germans had a genocidal agenda that caused the deaths of millions of people by way of homicidal steam, gas, electrocution chambers(1) or "newly invented" human vaporizers.(2) (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death" https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/ EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
Hello, Dear Grau; I realize I have been a bit disorganized last night by posting too much. My main discovery was: "Those who wield political control in Germany have made a pact with the U.S. There is a definite quid pro quo. The continued expansion of Germany’s economic influence around the world is conditioned upon the suppression of any and all internal dissent about the alleged ‘Holocaust.’ In practice, this means automatic jail terms for revisionists.” Wishing you a nice weekend!
