Alien at Birth

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  1. citsam

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    Hi,

    I'm going to share an experience about my situation that expresses my opinions and beliefs on something alien,
    so that I can request some feedback and gain a better understanding of what others think.

    :salute:

    I grew up speaking US English, in a US community, with a US education, trying to serve the US military.
    I took an oath to serve the United States of America and to repay the debt of my upbringing as best I can.

    For some reason, once I was pulled into the recruitment station, there was something alien associated to me.
    Presumably, from what I understand now, do to factors of my birth.

    I was instructed to report to a border agency that deals with aliens.

    Following continued instruction, I found myself far from the US, trying to get back home, and being completely ignored by embassies and consulates; or told to prove that I needed to report to immigration and to prove that I was an alien or a citizen of a foreign country.

    I have never had any such interest.

    At one point, I was even interrogated by foreign police, because they could not understand why I was speaking English and wanting to return home. They believed that I was a foreign spy or an enigma.

    I tried just going into the US by myself, but when I spoke to the border people, they looked up my name and blasted me into the media as a foreigner and associated my family so strongly with foreign stuff that I can't even entertain people anymore or be myself without risking further alienation, harm, and distancing from people due to all of these foreign associations.

    I don't think this is right and I've asked USA Today, ThinkProgress, and Gizmodo Media Group to stop publishing the fake news, while I continue to try to get the administration to stop this.

    However, I keep being met with indifference and continued alienation against me that is now preventing me from being able to perform my job as an entertainer.

    I don't want to lose my identity, because it's the only one that some of my now injured and hiding friends know.

    Is it right to be alienated due to factors of your birth, when you are born naturally and have been attempting to serve your country?

    How am I supposed to get these newspapers and agencies to stop publishing fake news and to convince the administration to stop publishing fake documents or alienating texts without losing my identity or bringing anybody associated to me into a public arena?
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    You need to consult an immigration lawyer. There are many aliens as well as US citizens on this forum. Join the discussions, and good luck.
     
  3. citsam

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    Immigrating is exactly what I don't want to do. That's the entire issue. I refuse to represent any country other than the US under force.
     
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    Nice try with Marine Corps, Marines or Army life ?
     
  5. citsam

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    Marines picked me up from school; so Marines first.

    "- Two foreigners are dumbass" is not a very good sentence.
    I can't tell if you're trying to say "Two foreigners make one dumbass." :flagus:
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you want to travel freely between nations with no identity?

    Good luck with that.
     
  7. citsam

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    Exactly the opposite.

    I didn't want to travel to begin with. I just wanted to serve the military.

    Then I'm told I have to travel and that I have to have a foreign identity!?

    Where are the programs that establish US identity without utterly alienating people?

    We're forcing people on both sides of the fence to either die or serve a foreign country prior to being recognized as US.

    Why? What's wrong with serving the US willingly? ESP when you have a good upbringing?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's try to quantify the facts as you've presented them.

    You were not born in the US.
    Somehow you came to the US.
    You tried to enlist and were told you could not until/unless you cleared up your immigration status.
    You went somewhere else.
    You want to come back to the US.

    Now, almost ANYONE will tell you that to achieve what you say are your goals you need an immigration attorney. BUT,
    You refuse to hire an attorney; and
    You refuse to go through the processes necessary to achieve your goals.

    Now your choices appear to be:
    Give up whatever your goal is; or
    Comply and go through the immigration process.

    If I've missed anything please clarify.
     
  9. Ole Ole

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    Never bigger than around 1.000.000 outlandish to entire America's!!!!

    - - - Updated - - -

    Max 30.000 over or much under this strenght.
     
  10. citsam

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    The only country that I have known is the US. I was born in the US.

    United States is a label for a country. A nation.

    Babies have no concept of countries or nations.

    I refuse to go through an immigration process, because it is impossible for me to immigrate into my own country.
    I refuse to do something that's impossible to do.

    I do not understand why people want me to learn about another country or nation and then to forget what I know about my country or nation and then to relearn my own country or nation.

    Why are people forcing me to learn about another label, another name, another ideology and culture?

    Why is everybody so bent on my "immigrating" into my country?

    I already tried it. It's not possible. You have to prove that you are a citizen of a foreign country in order to make that work and then convince your own country that you're not a citizen.

    That's like leaving your own body or dying. Being physically separated from everybody was rough enough.
     
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    That's 1,000,000 and 30,000. :flagus:
     
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    Get an immigration lawyer. He's not going to force you to immigrate. He'll help you clear up your problem. Btw welcome to the forum.
     
  13. citsam

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    I already tried that.
    Immigration lawyers specialize in immigration or going from one country to another.

    The lawyers I have spoken to tell me to work for a foreign government first or to immigrate.
    It almost feels like the US has a major problem with foreign policies.

    I tried talking to one of the people in the new administration buildings about what the hell I'm supposed to do to represent the United States ONLY if I'm not even allowed to fight in a war or something and they told me to RUN.

    Are we in retreat or something? Seriously. They might as well be screaming HELP.
    I think the whole foreign policy situation is out of control.

    Why aren't we developing NON IMMIGRATION PROGRAMS for people wishing to establish their US Citizenship without any foreign citizenship requirement?

    We're damning babies for God's sake and people think birth certificates actually control someone's birth.
    Why are people so frightened of who gets born where?

    Thank you for the welcome, btw., although I didn't post this in the new member introductions to avoid the formalities :p,
    because it was "optional" to post here.
     
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    I recommend you either begin being honest with this forum and stop trying to make a point with deceit, or act like a big boy and get a good lawyer from the ACLU.
     
  15. citsam

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    I'm not being deceitful, tecoyah. If you think that I am, then can you please point to what you mean?

    I'm not trying to make a point. I'm trying to figure out how to get 3 papers to stop publishing fake news and 1 court to also stop creating false records WITHOUT having a big war.

    I tried asking them several times, which is how I got 100 something smaller papers to stop, but I can't get the last of these big people to care about the issue and I can't get the court workers to stop publishing stuff about a fake court case.

    It's very frustrating tecoyah. I'm not trying to make a point here, I'm trying to explain the situation, so that I can hear what might be an alternative route. I'm nervous to ask in person, because one of them mentioned something about 15 years in prison pending trial if I don't just let them use me for whatever their political objective is.

    I'm clueless here and I just want to run my business without this blowing up in their faces or mine.
     
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    Do you have a valid birth certificate verifying that you were born in the USA?
     
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    As stated...call the ACLU.
     
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    P.S. I'm sorry if I'm ranting about the situation. It's frustrating. This is the story of my life. I'm not sure how to stop being targeted while remaining insignificant. If I had known any of this prior to contact with the military, then I likely would have just started working on my own instead of wading through all this (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Where were you born?
     
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    I don't want to make a big case out of this. The ACLU is geared towards big cases. I don't want them to use this case to bring harm to my family through a massive public exposure or some more bull(*)(*)(*)(*) like what happened last time. I'm looking for friends or knowledge into USA Today, ThinkProgress, and Gizmodo Media Group, since these are the only ones broadcasting fake news at me that have been disinterested in the accuracy or truth of the reporting. I want to friendly with these people so that they can stop being aweful to me. I don't want to cause my family any problems.

    I already answered that on the last page.

    Babies don't know what a country or nation is and we fight against discrimination.

    I was born in the US and I have no birth certificate or parental ties.
    There is no pathway to establish my loyalty or allegiance that I am aware of other than to work for myself and to pull money into the country without benefits or any outside compensation or federal support etc. (which is what i'm trying to do)

    The problem is that I didn't realize the world was like this when I was a kid, because I grew up very well in the US and I had contact with the military that led me into this political mess. Now I don't know how to get the papers and administration to stop spouting fake news, so that I can work for myself without harming people around me that they've associated to this foreign crap.
     
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    If you were born in the US then you are a US citizen.
     
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    please detail the specifics of your birth. When, where, who your parents were etc. I fully realize you are trolling, but I want to see how fanciful this gets.
     
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    Yes, I know that already. That's why I went to join the military to serve my country.
    However, they're computer system associated something alien to me and that led me away into this crap of a political nightmare that I'm staring at today.

    People kept trying to convince me that I needed to serve a foreign country and to immigrate.

    I finally was able to brush them off.

    However, now they are pushing fake news and court records to further try to alienate me and they even went so far as to disrupt my family.

    I'm trying to get those papers and the agency to stop promoting the foreign country and to stop associating me with this crap, but they are very dismissive.

    I'm still frustrated by all of this, so again I'm sorry for the rant, but I really need to figure out how to get them to stop or to become friends with them, so that my family will no longer be at risk if I continue my work.
     
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    I literally just said that I have no birth certificate or parental ties. You even quoted that in your response. I am not trolling. I already said that we fight against discrimination. How do you think a citizen is born? What happens when you are raised well in a country and society? Do you turn against it? Or are you trying to discriminate or alienate babies by claiming that they are aliens by their physical birth? To what end would that serve you?
     
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    Then you say you were born in the US.

    But you also say you were not born in the US.

    That, unless you're like 110 years old should be easy enough to demonstrate. But, if you're 110 years old then the military is not looking to enlist you.

    I have a birth certificate. They're all the rage, been in the news for like 8 years. If you were born here, you have proof of being born here.

    Birth certificate
    Hospital records
    Doctor records
    School records

    If this is some kind of indirect method of talking about the reality of national borders then your method is dishonest and the discussion, based on your lies, a waste of time.
     

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