Am I a 'Racist' or a 'Realist'?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Libhater, May 20, 2016.

  1. PolakPotrafi

    PolakPotrafi Banned

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    Yes, I do agree with Rushton.

    However, I've done much of my own research too.
     
  2. DarkSkies

    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

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    Per the authors, the findings have been mixed. While many studies are finding links to certain behaviors, many others studies do not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

    Why not consider culture or environment as major contributors to violence/crime?

    Didn't Christopher Columbus speak on how great the Indigenous people were? They were so great many ended up enslaved. After the Europeans got through with them, now folks want to say it's in their genes to be incredibly violent.

    Seriously, consider culture/environment as a major factor.
     
  3. PolakPotrafi

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    So, how come many people in the same culture, and same environment don't become criminals, while many people do?

    Sounds like some thing biological to me.

    Men are definitely inherently more criminal, and that's definitely biological.
     
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    Well, some of it really is genes. Genes with environmental triggers though, at least according to a couple of your sources.

    A couple of the sources you shared mentions culture and environment among the findings for people who became delinquent. For example, in the DeLisi, Vaughn book, the authors cited researchers who found that the DRD4.7 allele gene is associated with delinquency, but only among youth living in disadvantaged neighborhoods.

    So yeah there's the capacity for it within certain people, but if one is going to use genes for an argument, they must consider genes, gene interaction in environment/culture, systemic impairment (within individual(s)), etc. The full picture imho.
     
  5. Maccabee

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    For example Obama's birth certificate. There are valid questions about it. For example it says "African American" when at the time of his birth they would've used "negro". The name of the hospital he was born in at the time of his birth was two separate ones and didnt merge until later. Another thing was his ties to Muslims fundamentals. Even if that's false it's a conspiracy theory that is attributed to many presidents and not just him.


    Not directed to me but I'm too lazy to delete this part.
     
  6. Egalitarianjay02

    Egalitarianjay02 Banned

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    Let's look at the actual Birth Certificate:

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    For father's race it says "African" not African-American. From what I've read they let the parents describe their own race. Obama's father is from Kenya. Is it really a stretch of the imagination to think that a Kenyan immigrant would describe his race as African instead of Negro? As for the name of the hospital he was born in I looked in to it and this rumor has been falsified. According to that page the hospital Obama was born in started out as a maternity home and became The Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in 1958. There was a merger with a children's hospital but it wasn't until 1978 that it became The Kapi’olani Medical Center For Women And Children. The site provides proof for all of this including another birth certificate from the same hospital with the same name around the same time period. Obama's long form Birth Certificate is authentic. The conspiracy theorists, the birthers, will never let this rest because they want desperately to believe that Obama is not a natural-born citizen when the law says that if you were born on American soil you are a natural-born American.

    Personally I find the whole Birther issue to be absurd. This was nothing but an underhanded tactic to disqualify Obama as eligible to become President. He has been President for almost 8 years. People need to let it go. If you don't want a Black President he will be leaving office pretty soon. Also even before the Long Form Birth Certificate was released the Obama Administration had the short form Certificate of Live Birth and they said that was fake too. Obama's birth in Hawaii was announced by two different newspapers who get their information for local births directly from hospitals in the area.

    Hawaii health officials also confirmed he was born in there.

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    I have just one logical question for Birthers. If Obama wasn't born in Hawaii where his parents had a home then where was Obama's mother when he was born? Kenya? What was she doing there? Was she on vacation or something? Where is the documentation for that? The idea that Obama was born anywhere but where his family said he was is ridiculous. You would have to assume a conspiracy involving lots of people including his parents around the time of his Birth to believe that Obama is somehow hiding the truth about where he was born.

    As for the believe that he is a Muslim fundamentalist you have to be completely ignorant of the man to believe that. Here is the truth...Obama's father was raised in a Muslim household. Obama's stepfather was a Muslim. His stepfather moved the family to Indonesia whose majority religion is Islam. Obama recited Islamic prayers in school. That is as far as his Islamic ties go. Obama himself is not a Muslim. He is a Christian. He was raised in a non-religious household. His father who didn't raise him was agnostic. I believe his mother was as well or maybe atheist. His Grandparents who helped raise him were non-practicing Christians so they rarely went to church. Obama became a Christian as an adult after someone talked him in to joining a Church. He spent 20 years at Trinity United Church of Christ where he was married and his kids were baptized.

    There's really no excuse for believing Obama is a Muslim since there was controversy involving Obama's pastor Rev. Wright that threatened his Presidency and lead to this speech:


    [video=youtube;pWe7wTVbLUU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU[/video]

    Now maybe other Presidents and politicians have been accused of being Muslims however not as many people actually believed the smear as the number of Republicans who believe it about Obama. I believe that all of the most extremes smears about Obama are motivated by racism. Some of the racism is overt like many of the examples listed in the other video and some of it is covert. What is clear is that a lot of people on the far-right view Obama as a domestic enemy and don't want him to be President.

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/03/22/scary-new-gop-poll.html

    On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist."

    To anyone who thinks the end of the health-care vote means a return to civility, wake up.

    Obama Derangement Syndrome—pathological hatred of the president posing as patriotism—has infected the Republican Party. Here's new data to prove it:

    67 percent of Republicans (and 40 percent of Americans overall) believe that Obama is a socialist.

    The belief that Obama is a “domestic enemy” is widely held—a sign of trouble yet to come.

    • 57 percent of Republicans (32 percent overall) believe that Obama is a Muslim
    • 45 percent of Republicans (25 percent overall) agree with the Birthers in their belief that Obama was "not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president"
    • 38 percent of Republicans (20 percent overall) say that Obama is "doing many of the things that Hitler did"
    • Scariest of all, 24 percent of Republicans (14 percent overall) say that Obama "may be the Antichrist."
     
  7. Maccabee

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    Here's some stuff on Obama's birth certificate.


    https://occupycorporatism.com/obamas-lawyers-officially-admit-birth-certificate-is-fake/


    Here's something about Obama being a Muslim.

    http://obamamuslim.m.webs.com/site/...71ee7324123ec5a54dab04&fb_sig_network=fw#1322
     
  8. Egalitarianjay02

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    Those websites are not credible and are full of lies. Obama is a Christian who was born in Hawaii. There are plenty of credible sources for who he is. He hasn't hidden his life from anyone. He wrote two books about himself and has been heavily vetted. The motivation behind many of these smears is racism.
     
  9. dairyair

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    Is every source for every topic you post in from a hate site?
    Do even understand what factual evidence is? Are you related to Sheriff Apraio per chance? His son maybe?
    Have you ever heard of the word credible? Websites you link to, are not credible, making anything you post on any topic not credible. Perhaps you don't care if you are credible or not. But some day you will care.
     
  10. Maccabee

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    Can you prove their claims false point by point?

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    Who decides what's credible? You?
     
  11. Egalitarianjay02

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    I have already addressed both claims in detail. Obama is a natural-born citizen who was born in Hawaii and his legal documents proving this are real. He is a Christian not a Muslim.

    Snopes.com a website that specializes in addressing Urban Legends has debunked both rumors.

    Snopes.com - Birth Certificate: Is Barack Obama's birth certificate a forgery?

    Snopes.com - Barack Obama is a "radical Muslim" who "will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance."
     
  12. dairyair

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    Honest people.
     
  13. Maccabee

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    And I've shown that they were false.

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    And what makes my links dishonest?
     
  14. Egalitarianjay02

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    You haven't shown that the evidence provided by my sources is false.

    They are making up lies and not providing any credible evidence for their claims.
     
  15. dairyair

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    They are extremely biased and show things from a slanted point of view. They lack credibility. And honest people know them to be biased and full of 1/2 truths and perhaps no truths.
     
  16. Maccabee

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    What lies are they saying?

    Here's proof Obama's birth certificate is fake.

    http://mobile.wnd.com/2011/07/319221/

    Here's proof Obama is a Muslim.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/proof-obamas-a-muslim/

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    What biased are they showing? What half truths are they saying. Pick one claim and disprove it.
     
  17. dairyair

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    Not worth the time. You're so brainwashed there is nothing anyone on a internet forum can show you.
    You'll just have to live with having very little credibility in these forums.
     
  18. Egalitarianjay02

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    That Obama's Birth Certificate is fake and that Obama is a Muslim. Both are obvious lies. My sources already debunked the layers argument and the fact that Obama was a member of Trinity United Church of Christ most of his adult life debunks the Muslim claim. He was born in Hawaii and he is a Christian. End of story. These conspiracy theorists on the internet are crazy. You can find all kinds of rumors on the internet from Obama killing people, to being gay to his wife being a man and all kinds of obvious lies. The fact that so many Republicans believe this garbage shows that they have a tendency to lie and smear politicians they don't like. The key point here is that a lot of the Obama hate is motivated by racism.
     

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