Americans at World Health Organization transmitted real-time information about coronavirus to Trump

I don't know who this person "the Left" you mention is. And I'm sure Obama didn't make any false images.

Are you understanding what we're talking about? We're talking about the President of the United States. True that this is only an asterisk President*, but he still holds the office.

You cannot find an economist of notoriety that would claim that anybody wins in a trade war. The best you can do is not loose by a lot.

If we were ever to impose tariffs on China it would be because of copyright infringement. But that is very far from being front and foremost in Trump's mind. We gave in to China when we started financing two wars by getting loans from them. Good ol' W messed that one up. Now we just deal with it. China is not a stable political system. And it's far from being a stable economy.

Obviously.

Huh? Where? You have given no such "list"

Show the list and quote the legislation through which he accomplished each item in your list.

I hope you're not going to include nonsense like "he appointed to justices". You wouldn't do that, right?

 

Appointing Justices is not what I would consider an accomplishment, it's an Executive "Privilege". Please don't be insulting.

Pardon me, I realize that there are Democrats who have actually flipped and now support Trump. A Georgia representative just did in fact. Vernon Jones?
So when I say "The left", I'm referring to the left that actively attacks Mr. President perpetually, over nothing.
The "Impeach" crowd.
Not the "Left" that has finally realized they were being led by very bad partners such as the DNC.

I put the list in the thread. It's there if you want to see it.
Your not "seeing the list" indicates to me you are ignoring it.

As far as trade wars, I think you are wrong. When one side has been allowed to, and has in fact, taken significant advantages over the other trading partner then action is necessary.
Are you saying that in unfair trade agreements, no one could benefit from corrective, equalizing action?
To say "No one wins in a trade war" I feel is naive. China has won tremendously in the trade war of the last two decades. To the point they now expect to win, regardless. Shocked when they didn't.

 

My math is spot on, it is your reading that is off. If you noticed the words, "China hid the existance of the COVID-19". Those words were a different color, because they were a link to an article that supported my statements. If you had bothered to follow that link, you would have seen this article:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...icials-searching-for-patient-zero/ar-BB119fWJ

That article states that the first cases were discovered on November 17, not in December as China had claimed. Now, the difference between the first cases on November 17 and the date that they reported the existance of the disease on December 31 is 44 days. Not on "minus 13th of December". This isn't a case of bad math. It is a case of a you ignoring inconvenient facts.

In you OP, you not only quoted, you highlighted the following words:

Caitlin B. Oakley, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services, confirmed that in January, HHS had 17 staff members, including 16 from the CDC, at the WHO, “working on a variety of programs, including covid-19 and Ebola.”

Yet, as I pointed out, the WHO was working on COVID-19 in January, but as I pointed out, China was not letting the WHO in until mid February. So, how could they be working on a unique SAAR's type virus without access to the actual Virus? It wasn't until mid February that China released Sequence Gnome of the COVID-19. So, what were they working with?

On January 14th, the Director-General of the WHO retweeted the President of China's statement that there was no proof that the COVID-19 could be transmitted human to human. So, you have the official Chinese and WHO official stance. So, what do you think the CDC doctors were reporting to the President? Maybe the official Chinese and WHO stance?

So, given the fact that the WHO was dependent of the data trickling out of China, and the fact that the WHO was not being allowed into China at the time, the fact that there were CDC doctors working with the WHO does not change anything. Whatever they were reporting that got to the President would have reflected, or possibly overshadowed by, the official statements made by the WHO.

Again, it is not the math that is the problem. It is you ignoring facts that are inconvenient to your unsubstantiated position.

 

My account concurs with yours.
However, there are some who will deny facts regardless.

 

Questions: What was the name of the individual in China that report that there were two confirmed cased of Human to Human transmission? What happened to the Doctor that blew the whistle about the existance of the virus, and that doctors and nurses were becoming infected from sick patients?

Zhong Nanshan, who heads up China's National Health Commission, made the statement on January 20. Was this an official Chinese statement? It was hard to tell at the time. Seventeen days before, a Dr. Li Wenliang was called into the local police station because he had blown the whistle of the existance of the Coronavirus, and pointed out that doctors and nurses were becoming infected by sick patients. A month later, that doctor died of COVID-19.

Now, you claim that the Director of WHO retweeted the Chinese doctor's statement a day later. I can not find any source that backs that claim. Here is a New York Times articles dated on January 23:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/health/china-virus-who-emergency.html

The same day this article was published was the day that China shutdown Wuhan. So, what was the President doing? Maybe trying to figure out who was saying what, and who was to be believed. He was also having to deal with an out of control Democrat Party that was Impeaching him for nothing. You want to put this into a nutshell? Here it is. No one has a crystal ball, and the Federal Government does not hire soothsayers. Everyone got this one wrong. I know you want to ignore the fact that the Democrats were claiming that the world's panic was an overreaction. Pelosi, inviting people to China Town. AOC claiming that eating anything other then Chinese food was racist. When the President did take action, the DNC attacked him for it. Then when the President pointed out that the DNC's attacks on him was the new DNC Hoax. The Left-wingers then claimed that the President called the Coronavirus a hoax. That thoroughly debunked false narrative is still being circulated today.

So, instead of attacking the President, you should celebrate that there will not be a million dead from this disease as originally predicted. Yes, mistakes have been made. But the President has and is doing a good job. We should be supporting him, not attacking him. You want to place blame? Place it where it belongs. China, and their controling the information.

 

Liberal motto: Never let the facts get into the way of a perfectly good lie!!!

 

Oooo. I know the answer... they would have called him xenophobic.

 

What we don't want to destroy is our ****ing lives. Are you going to quarantine people with compromised health forever? And people with no compromises are dying too

What kind of elective surgery were you going to have anyway? and if it was as necessary as you say how is it elective?

 

Are you going to quarantine everyone forever?

 

Urinated on people? That's a new one. Unless you're confusing it with the unsubstantiated story about paying hookers in Moscow to pee on a bed that Obama had slept in?

The list of Trump's misdeeds go back to the 1970s. Look it up for yourself.

How many subcontractors and other business associates did he cheat over the decades?

How many illegal immigrants has he employed?

Why do you think that established, reputable banks will no longer do business with him? The only banks associated with Trump's businesses these days are Deutsche Bank and the Bank of Cyprus, both convicted of laundering Russian mob money.

He used taxpayer-funded military aid to bribe a foreign government to help his reelection. That's a fact.

Volume II of the Mueller Report details eight very solid cases of felony obstruction of justice. The only reason he isn't in jail is because the Justice Department has interpreted language in the constitution to their positiin that a sitting president can't be indicted. Did you even read the report?

Here is a nice little list from a centrist source:

https://www.gazettenet.com/Columnist-John-Sheirer-32545210

Your loyalty to Trump is admirable, but he SO doesn't deserve it. He's a flim flam man, a con artist, a grifter from a family of grifters.

 

As usual this makes zero sense. Keep paying WHO but don't listen, use our American sources. Uh no thanks.

On the other please do tell us when and what you wanted done, this BS vague should've done blah blah doesn't work.

You wouldn't have an issue forcing American citizens to stay in the hotspot? Wow can't believe any American would agree with that, bring them home quarantine them just like we did.

 

Talk about Trump.....you seem to be a shill for the main stream media and left in America.

 

No, only until widespread testing has given us a good idea of where and how much the disease is prevalent, the increase has leveled off, and the hospitals have adequate equipment.

 

you make zero sense, as usual.

He should have formed that corona team in January instead of downplaying it like an absolute pro, to than wait till the end of February. He should have had Fauci say the people who to deal with this from the start. He wasted a whole month.

Nope. You demand people who are infected but no showing symptoms spread the disease all over the US?

 

That's even worse! According to your claim, they didn't know it was a new virus until December! Since they can't "hide" something that they don't know... that means you rebutted your own statement. Of course it's inconvenient! Because if you're going to rebut your own statement, that would mean I'm not needed. It's not just "inconvenient".... it's heartbreaking!

In you OP, you not only quoted, you highlighted the following words:

Where the hell did you get the idea that they have to be in China to study it? Anybody even moderately familiar with the timeline knows that the genetic sequence was made public on January 12.

But this also does not answer the question I posted.... why? Not only does it not answer it. It has nothing to do with the OP!

I'm going to hop over all this nonsense and see if you even make an attempt at answering
...

In your case it's not "ignoring" the facts... it's ignorance of the facts!

I say again... all this nonsense has nothing to do with the OP. :You don't answer the question. Looks like you only read things if they are hhighlighted... so here it goes again: why is Trump now blaming the WHO for "misinformation"?

Why.... if, as you claim, the W.H.O. didn't know that this was a dangerous virus, is Trump blaming the W.H.O. if Trump himself produce hundreds of times more misinformation than anybody alive. Even than the Chinese.

And you also fail to address my second point on the OP: why is the nation with the most powerful secret services relying on the W.H.O. for
intelligence about matters that would kill tens of thousands of American?

Nobody on the right has answered either of these. And I'm completely sure that you're not going to be "the one". But I can tell you this: China and the W.H.O. might have dropped the ball, and not handled this in the best way. But Trump didn't just "hide" the facts about this pandemic. He did something much worse: Trump lied about it! I don't know if we'll ever devise a method to estimate how many lives Trump's lies has cost... But it's clear, by even the most basic human reasoning that, at a minimum, it's in the thousands.

We could not have hoped for a worse idiot to be in charge at these difficult times!

 

Hospitals have adequate equipment. When Georgia, Texas and other states warn those that have compromised health issues (including obesity) to stay in isolation and open up for business, we are going to see their economies lead the nation. It will be the scourge of the leftist Democrats and their Globalist/ Socialist efforts!

 

If you intend on isolating the obese how will you have Trump attend his own rallies?

 

The DNC hoax was alive and well on FOX news at least up until Trish Reagan was taken off the air.

That conspiracy theory was strongly pumped on other FOX programming as well as by RushBo, Breighhtbart and others.

Those messages were never retracted by Trump or any of the others involved.

The US president hasn't really done anything. He closed travel from China (after which tens of thousands have come here from China without any evidence of quarentining them). He close travel to Europe after it was way way too late to matter.

Since then, governors have been told they are on their own. Testing progress is pathetic compare to WHO, 10& to 20% of our COVID deaths are among healthcare workers with one serious being the lack of adequate PPE (which Trump has been totally inept at soving and even has FEMA interdicting deliveries to hospitals), he has promoted a drug that is dangerous and ineffective, he has failed to support limits on domestic travel or any kind of social distancing (even stating that he won't wear a mask), has promoted opening our economy when his own plans that require significant preconditions that do NOT exist (and then throwing a governor under the bus when his suggestion is followed), etc., etc.

He has blamed WHO - which has clearly been out in front of Trump on issues of policy, testing, etc.

He has accused the CCP when there isn't adequate evidence of wrongdoing. Plus, the charge of CCP being late with information is weak in the face of how late the US response has been.

He has not yet given a COVID19 briefing that hasn't included blatant falsehoods and has even blocked Dr. Fauci and others from moving back toward the truth.


Suggesting that there is some way in which Trump has led an effective COVID19 response is just plain LUDICROUS.

 

NO. Large numbers of hospitals absolutely do NOT have adequate PPE.

Masks were made to be used once, maybe twice in some cases, often discarding when moving from one patient to the next. There are hospitals where those tending COVID patients get one mask per week.

Today, 10% to 20% of deaths due to COVID19 are medical staff.

People are risking their LIVES (and those of their families) to treat COVID patients, yet there are peole who are happy with not giving them protection that is know to be required.

This isn't just unfortunate. This is a total lack of morality.

 

Your lack of morality is clear. Have you looked at the percentages of deaths floated around and seen the compromised health of over 90% of those individuals? Many only had days to live. It has been shown that statistics in New York are compromised to show that anyone that dies of those complications is a China Virus victim. Why are they doing this? If you would take the time to read this, it will become much clearer.

From Trey Gowdy:
"I'm not saying Covid-19 isn't real... But Pay attention folks, there's much more going on here than what meets the eye.
Is it a coincidence that just when the economy is booming, the stock market is setting record highs, we are winning the trade wars, school shootings have stopped, our nation is at peace, the Democratic party is a disaster and so is their likely nominee? (Biden). He hasn't a chance in hell & they're not about to let an outsider(Bernie) destroy their scheme.
It looks like Trump is a sure bet for reelection after fending off 3 years of investigations and impeachment, then all of a sudden world crisis pandemic. Stock market tumbles, companies are laying off employees, everything is closed and canceled, CEO's of giant companies are resigning and indictments are coming.
Now they say there are a couple ways a President doesn't win reelection. Those are an unpopular war or a poor economy.
But there is something larger going on here driving this sudden outbreak right after Trump beats an impeachment. Especially the fact that it (Corona Virus) originated in China who we are in a global trade war with; brought on by Trump. Let's not forget Biden's back door deals with CHINA as well.
China doesn't want 4 more years of Trump either. It all seems rather convenient for the nations and opponents of our current President and economy 5 months before an election. Couldn't have hit at a more perfect time.
With the Democrats running out of campaign talking points, in light of no school shootings, no migrant caravans at the southern border, fighting in Syria winding down, North Korea not firing missiles and Trump beating a sham impeachment. The Corona Virus gave them one last hail Mary to try and point fingers at Trump with the clock winding down in 2020.
This is almost the perfect fascist playbook. Control the population with fear-mongering and panic, control the media, spread propaganda and the fan-favorite disarm the population. Oh, and did anyone notice that while they are mad as hell at Trump for not sending aid to Ukraine, they THEMSELVES voted AGAINST giving ANY emergency aid to all Americans ?
Sorry but I don't think we are all going to die. Remember when Ebola was what was going to kill us all, and the media kept showing the piles of body bags that were prepared for the fallout. Then a month later it was totally forgotten.
The common flu has killed more people this year already and the media is SILENT!
A handful of deaths out of 320 million Americans and we are in panic tearing down our society and costing our economy billions in the wake. It all just seems fishy, a little too well-timed if you ask me."
Trey Gowdy

 

That's not an indictment of my morality. It's the USA leavig our medical staff unprotected at a time when they are dying at a significant rate. THAT is the immorality I pointed out. And, I certainly did not claim there weren't others - because there are. Racial minorities and those with low income are WAY over represented in the death tolls, for example.

This guy is CLEARLY a blithering idiot.

Yes, COVID-19 IS real. And, claiming it was "timed" for political purposes is just plain too stupid a comment. Plus, it means there is some indiviual or group that has engineered hundreds of thousands of deaths.

I KNOW this conspiracy theory has been a mantra from FOX, RushBo, Breitbart, and supported by Trump.

But, there is NO evidence AT ALL. Plus, pulling off a pandemic that starts in China for political purposes in the US???

Please.

 

promote hysteria about the death rate will you/ Over 90% of the deaths that claim to be China Virus related at two or more compromising health problems. Obesity, diabetes, copd, coronary problems. In other words they were candidates to die very soon and the regular flue could have put them over the edge. So you promote the hysteria and ignore the economic and health threatening conditions the hysteria causes and in the end, how do we pay for it? Install a Socialist dictator? That would be the dream of many. Just ask AOC!

 

And......I don't see you contesting one fact made by Trey. Run off and use your MSM talking points will you! No one claims this one engineered. Call it "collusion". Never let a crisis go to waste!

 

His entire piece is absolute and total nonsense. That conpsiracy theory has been debunked over and over and over again. There is not ONE fact supporting it.

- except for his first sentence where he admitted that COVID-19 is for real.

You should be embarrassed for quoting Gowdy.

 

This guy does not claim any facts that support what he's saying.

And, his story is just plain and obviously stupid.

One problem with Gowdy is that he is totally clueless about science. So, he posts that the leaders of two countries once met - as if THAT is evidence of a conspiracy!!!

Do you REALLY believe that the CCP purposefully unleashed COVID19 on its own population?

There IS someone trying to make political gain out of this disaster - TRY GOWDY!