America's average gun violence victim is white and male

Uh.....name a right that is unlimited? All rights have restrictions

 

So, just so we're clear, you're against freedoms?

LOL! Wait a second, you're a gun grabber!

 

So are you son.

Holy cow....you are a gun grabber! LOL

 

I sure do grab my guns. I also clean them and won't hesitate to grab it if someone unwanted illegally enters my home!

 

I get jokes. LOL

 

How could you commit suicide with a gun without a gun? Lemme guess, there is a direct correlation between fatal car accidents and those who own cars. Amirite?

 

Sounded kinda flippant and neutral. My mistake. I guess that means you agree that gun control data resources *should* specify when their data incorporates suicides, iiuc.

 

Fine with me. But dead is dead

 

Thats wasn't the question...

Also, you must've missed my other question earlier. What presumptive conclusions have I made based on incomplete data? I only recall providing alternative POSSIBILITIES to your conclusion that gun control reduces suicide.

 

There are alternative possibilities to every study under the sun. But the evidence in this case is overwhelming

 

The evidence is simplistic and circumstancial. Its the most basic example of correlation =\= causation. They ruled out but a handful of hundreds of plausible and indeed likely alternative explanations to the relationship between gun laws and suicide. Very poor 'science' that reaks of agenda and propaganda, and is widely disputed by mental health professionals.

 

Well you have an opinion....But I have evidence

 

You have bias.

 

As do you. But I also have evidence and you do not

 

Agreed, but the maxim "Don't feed the trolls" is applicable here.

Meanwhile, there is a ton of evidence on this thread that self-declared mental health care experts don't give rat's patootie about focusing upon mental health care to reduce suicides. They are primarily concerned about banning guns....and, of course, trolling pro-Second Amendment advocates.

 

Unsupported opinion

 

Yes
You do get jokes
You also make jokes
Lots of posts are jokes
A regular comedy hour
Ha ha
We get it

 

Have a great night

 

What was presented was not evidence, it was nothing more than mere hypothesis.

Since no actual evidence has been presented, no evidence of the validity of the claim actually exists.

 

Nope. It was scientific evidence. Sorry

 

One thing that hasn't been discussed, AFAIK, is when suicide is justified. Admittedly, most suicides are due to mental illness. Usually depression. However, a portion of them are due to physical illness. Since assisted suicide is still verboten in many parts of the nation, the person suffering has no recourse to end the pain except to do it themselves, usually through asphyxiation (hanging) or a handgun. If we legalized assisted suicide across the nation, the number of "gun deaths" would certainly drop. A benefit if this would be the obvious requirement of a screening process which would separate out those who have a terminal disease and those who are simply depressed or otherwise mentally ill. By identifying the latter, they have a higher chance of receiving the treatment they so desperately need.

http://www.assistedsuicide.org/

FWIW, I've never heard of a person committing suicide by "assault weapon" although I'm sure it's been done. A handgun is the most common means followed by a shotgun. Those who seek to ban guns clamor about suicide then move to banning assault weapons thus revealing their true deception and intent.

 

Its a very small percentage. It would barely move the needle

 

Another of your many deceptions unsupported by facts and proving once again you don't give a damn about saving lives; you're only interested in banning guns. Thanks for the additional evidence.

Speaking of evidence, here's what it looks like:

http://www.apa.org/about/gr/pi/advocacy/2001/rosenfeld.aspx

• More than 60% of patients with cancer and AIDS experience persistent pain 1,2
  
• 42% of patients with cancer are under-medicated for their pain 1
  
• 86% of patients with AIDS are under-medicated for their pain 2
  
• 50% of doctors fear that their patients will become addicted to pain medications 3
  
• less than 1 % of cancer patients actually become dependent on pain medications 4
  
• 12 % of doctors receive "good" training in pain management/palliative care in medical school 5
  

Mental Health Care

• 15-20% of terminally ill patients are diagnosed with a "major depression" 6,7
  
• 49% of severely depressed cancer patients are considered (by their doctor) to have NO depression 8
  
• 70-80% of terminally ill patients with depression respond to treatment (when provided) 9
  
• roughly 50% of suicides in terminally ill patients are attributable to untreated depression 9
  
• 25% of elderly depressed patients changed their minds about end-of-life interventions after treatment 11
  

https://academic.oup.com/jnci/artic...High-Suicide-Rate-Among-Cancer-Patients-Fuels
The suicide rate in cancer patients is twice that observed in the general population in the United States, according to a new study, one of several published recently that have focused on the issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/aug/23/suicide-chronic-illness-study
One in 10 suicides linked to chronic illness, study finds


FWIW, I strongly doubt anyone who is truly a mental health care expert would be so callous about the lives of those living in pain.

 

Exactly.

Whoever posted a link from CNN proves that they don't care about facts. CNN sure doesn't.

 

The World Health Organization disagrees with your hypothesis.