America's average gun violence victim is white and male

Thanks for a factual link proving our resident self-declared mental health "expert" 100% wrong.

"Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%). "

 

Only in your opinion and limited understanding of facts and distorted by your hidden Agenda.

 

That is your opinion and nothing more

 

I am the one trying to save these lives. The pro gun movement could care less if they die

 

About suicide in the US? Let's see it

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/19/health/19suicide.html

Why aren't you an advocate arguing for alcohol control and removing alcohol from homes?

 

The evidence repeatedly proves you don't care about lives, that you only care about banning guns.

 

That is factually incorrect

 

You are free to argue that on the alcohol forum. This is the gun control forum

 

See ?
Jokes.

 

I get jokes

 

You often present jokes as fact and evidence.

 

Prove it

 

What was presented was not evidence. Rather it was nothing more than mere hypothesis. Hypothesis is not evidence of anything.

Once again, since no actual evidence has been presented, no evidence of the validity of the claim actually exists.

 

Nope. It was a scientific study. Sorry. You are wrong

 

Except for the fact that it was neither scientific, nor was it a study. It was nothing more than speculation on the possibility that certain, currently undefined restrictions on firearms, could potentially lead to a minor reduction in the annual number of suicides. They claim it is possible for such to be done. Never once do they state with any certainty that it can be proven as factual, and will not deliver as promised. Therefore it is nothing more than hypothetical guesswork. It is no more scientifically sound than the game of blackjack.

If the intent of yourself is really to save lives by preventing suicides, no matter the cost, then there would be greater support on the part of yourself for those with suicidal tendencies to be indefinitely confined to medical facilities where their environment, and every aspect related to it, can be controlled in a clinical manner, thus depriving them of any implement and opportunity that could even remotely be used by them to commit suicide.

But such is not being done by yourself. Rather the only thing being done is cheapening the severity of suicide, by claiming that all that needs to be done is restrict legal firearms ownership, and the problem will be solved as a result. The position being established by yourself is that no individual is suicidal unless they have immediate access to a firearm, and that if they cannot end their own existence in less than five minutes, they will never attempt to try such. The entire position by yourself suggests that suicide is simply not a serious enough issue to bother with due to it being to cost prohibitive to try and save lives. Ultimately the only thing being proven by yourself, is a complete disregard for those suffering from suicidal thoughts and tendencies throughout their lives.

 

In this "scientific study" does it take into account that many that use a gun to commit suicide won't have to run out and purchase a firearm because they have been legal to own one for many years and already have one?

 

Have you read the study?

 

This at all cost argument is so silly. If I say I want to reduce auto deaths must it be at all costs which is the elimination of cars? Its just extremist nonsense.

 

And yet there is no support on the part of yourself for indefinitely confining individuals who suffer from suicidal thought, tendencies and desires, the medical facilities where it will actually be possible to prevent them from ending their own existence. One must ask what motivating factors are behind such a reluctance if the monetary cost of such is not among them.

A lack of motor vehicles directly translates into a lack of deaths that can be attributed to motor vehicles. However such is not being discussed. Rather what is being discussed, is the disrespect of yourself for those suffering from suicidal thoughts, tendencies, and desires. Rather their experiences are being trivialized in the part of yourself, and countless others, to use for fodder for pushing a political narrative. If they were not utilizing firearms to end their own existence, but rather other implements, their plight would be ignored by yourself, as well as countless others, as there would be nothing to argue.

It is yourself that is making light of suicide, and its underlying motivations and factors. It is yourself trivializing what they are going through for the sake of pushing a political narrative, indicating that they are not cared about beyond their value as bargaining chips for the implementation of useless legislation.

Pray tell, why are suicidal individuals of no actual importance to yourself?

 

You want to take people who have suicidal thoughts and put them in lifetime coma's. I want to repeat that for others to see.

You want to take people who have suicidal thoughts and put them in lifetime coma's

You want to take people who have suicidal thoughts and put them in lifetime coma's

I have never heard of anything so hilariously moronic in my life. LOL

 

So, now that the 'ban guns to protect people from others' debate has turned to dust and blown away, we're sposed to ban guns to protect people from themselves...?

Do you really think thats gonna work?

 

You are the one that is making what you call "Moronic statements.

 

On the basis that such will result in a near-total end to all suicides in the united states. These individuals will be unable to harm themselves, and thus they will remain alive for the duration. That is ultimately the goal, is it not? Preventing suicides from occurring?

It is yourself that is disrespecting, and trivializing the plight of individuals suffering from suicidal thoughts, tendencies, and impulses, for nothing more than furthering political purposes. Pray tell, why is there so much hatred for suicidal individuals on the part of yourself?

 

Dude I find that hilarious. We should wrap you in bubble wrap and you will forever be safe from any harm. LOL