Amos Yadlin + why bombing Damascus is important to Israel.

And yet your 'President' seems to think he/they do. Even ahead of the investigation. Indeed, he has SAID that an attack on Syria will happen, be it in a week or a month.

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I understand your position, and my position is that I disagree with your position, for the many reasons I have cited over the past few days.

 

I missed out on your dialectics, but let's assume for a moment that I skipped directly to the "simply one of them" part, I hope "they" don't mind, but I want to be clear about this time line of events...

Okay, listen carefully to the speech here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYDhMmVLXI

He say, "...our capacity to execute this mission is not time sensitive. It will be effective tomorrow, or next week, or one month from now..." No reason to be in a hurry, right? Then again, why if it's not time sensitive does he spell out a time frame in the very next thing he says? Matryoshka doll made of clocks. Such mixed messages, comes across like he's comparing either himself or America or both to the so-called "thief in the night" from the Bible. Hello -- he even mentions Boehner, Reid, Pelosi, and McConnell like they're the four horsemen of the apocalypse and everything. Oh, and you gotta love it when he does that tugging at the heart strings voice, talking about how we built the international order from out of the ashes of World War.

Well, I'm not buying into the conspiracy theory, especially when Alex Jones has one going even more exciting than this. (Yeah, apparently some nuclear bombs were secretly moved to South Carolina, and now Lindsey Graham is threatening to blow up Charleston if we don't pass this resolution to war in Syria, or something along those lines.) So, let's wager the fate of the planet here, shall we? If everything is secretly run by an international Jewish cabal, and they have designs which requires the US to attack Syria, then what are the odds they'll even let the US House get to finish counting their votes before there's another chemical weapons attack?

 

Is that like the al queda as our pals, in syria.

I wonder if they will fit your "anti semitic" label and have a tender love for wiping israel off the map? Maybe you can help with that.

at least 10 times the 'other' type. jewish adherant were less that 10 percent of the ww2 deaths.

They dont beg for sympathy and impose guilt or label anyone that does not believe their side as 'anti semitic'. Most people want to forget such atrocity. The other team, uses it expecting pity.

I saw it in writing. Are you a holocaust denier?

So you believe gasing innocent lives is OK? That genocide is OK? Are you a neo nazi?

Are you 'anti semitic' too (against that language as well)

i said that ww2 lost about 70 million lives and of jewish adherants is 6 million. What distortion or are you a ww2 deniers, like you 'pals'?

You're the one that dont like english. It's in writing,

Thank you for sharing an honest answer, in english, Even if you dont like it or any that use it to render what is real.

That is why i wonder what would make someone lie to others. It's like suicide.

 

no integrity to believe

Looks to me, like the liars are being found out. But this time, it will not be after american deaths, to realize that 'israeli intelligence' is an oxymoron of terms

Are you tellng me, that iraq was bombed for not making payments?

your opinion is worthless

 

Ron Paul on Syria in Politico article:
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/ron-paul-syria-96331.html?ml=tb

 

its BS, Syrian kurds forced to fight against whole islamist world, + in many cases the west...who help them today? no one ...

 

(wink)

 

Die and dumped.

Yup. I've not forgotten the hundreds of young American soldiers whose bodies were dumped in landfill sites. At the say so of the US military. Neither the land fill site owner nor the families were informed. A clearer sign of what they really see these boys is hard to imagine. Gone are the days when you expected the body(or remains) of a fallen colleague to be sent back for a respectful burial. They are now literally just meat to be dumped in landfills. And their family matters so little they are just not told.

US veterans that live often have a meagre existence . If their minds are not shot to bits, they end up homeless, or simply fighting for their rights, after 'serving'. Some 25% of all US homeless are veterans who at the time probably believed they were doing the right thing for their country. One quarter of ALL HOMELESS. Meantime, Jews and their goy bootlickers hold glitzy fundraisers in the effing US itself to raise money for....the IDF.

I don't think people are as naïve and dewy eyed as they once were though. I am sure there are still plenty of scumbags in the US armed forces who would do what they are told, whatever that may be(up to an including actions that are illegal and beyond normal soldiering). But at the same time, I think there is more awareness among people today, and that is going to include those in the US armed forces, and those not long out. I do not believe for a second that all of them are totally unaware, nor do I believe that all of them are like those monsters who often hear about(like in that Iraqi prison). Indeed, and it does take a while, I sense that there is a real shame and disgust, and a sense of disconnect with such men and actions. And the wars of occupation and aggression that lend itself to such things.

I sense that many are waking up to the fact that a black mark is placed on the US and by extension their people, each time their Gov get them into something like this. As misinformed as many Americans have been, and as misled as they have been, I still fundamentally believe that most of them are decent people. It is not their fault that the MSM media there have literally brainwashed them for decades, and the internet is a relatively new thing, but it is acting as a gradual shaper of outlook, of that there is no doubt.

This is why I think the US state are so paranoid about 'security'. This is why they conduct so much spying on their own people. It is not external threats they really worry about, but the threat of their own citizens wakening up in sufficient enough number as to be a real problem. I dread to think how far the demons in the US state would take it out on their own citizens, if those citizens reawakened some of that old rebel spirit that their forefathers had, and decided to fight 'enemies domestic'. Like those hiding in their Gov.

Don't forget this though. Every single body bag that came back to this country from Iraq was the fault of Israel. Yeah, Blair etc, but he is just another puppet. His entire election campaign was fund raised by Zionist Jew, Michael Levy(worth looking at). Single biggest contributor was Sainsbury, another one of them. All that stuff about faked evidence . But where did the hate and smear campaign against Iraq begin? Oh look...

[video=youtube;eIAxjcsHmQw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=eIAxjcsHmQw[/video]

 

Hey, stooped down, burdened Americans, take that load of Talmudic doctrine off your back & out of your minds before you destroy yourselves and the rest of the world in your adultery.

Why do you worship suffering and death?
US military policy since Lincoln: "We are not fighting against enemy armies, but against an enemy people, both young and old, rich and poor, and they must feel the iron hand of war in the same way as organized armies." United States General Sherman

 

call the whaaaaambulance.

One thing about PF is that one learns what some posters are actually all about. Seems some don't like to be called what they actually are.

Seems many can't read anything about Israel or jews without attempting to turn it into some diabolical plot on the part of jews to manipulate America and the world.

You have scurriously implied that chemical weapons being used within a couple hundred miles of Israel's border by a life long enemy shouldn't be a concern to Israel.

You also have expressed a ridiculous attitude that dissension amongst ones enemies isn't something that is of benefit.

 

It is not your place to call me or anyone on here anything.

It is not my place to pass comment on you.

I ask only that you contribute to the topic without doing so.

As per the forum rules.

 

Know it all Americans think they are the teacher.
Yes, we are teachers alright, our teaching has made the world drunk with the pharmecopia of our inequity.

Sooner or later we are going to be taught something by an even sterner teacher.

PS
Some war crazies complain that they have to destroy Syria because it has "chemical weapons".
The reason Syria has chemical weapons is to counter Israeli nuclear weapons.
And it is the Israelis that have attacked Syria numerous times.
The Israelis even threaten to nuke the whole world if they don't get what they want.

 

yet another "brilliant" question.

yet another brilliant statement. Such churlishness speaks volumes.

then perhaps you can start lobbying for the erection of more monuments to the ww2 dead.

Yes forget the invention of industrialized murder. Forget the hate and propaganda. Forget a serious attempt at extermination that dwarfs all other "ethnic cleansing" incidents in the past few hundred years. Yep, I can see why some would want to "forget".

the "other team"? Just like your lack of actual understanding of "chosen" you appear to have not clue what "never again" actually means.

Next time you see something in writing, it might be a good idea to read what is written.

Yet more brilliant questions. You were right you got a million of 'em. You appear to have gone off on meaningless stupid tangents.

another truly stupid response that does not in anyway address my quote.
This is becoming disturbing. are you okay?

I guess you can't remember what you write from one post to another my comment was about your ridiculous contention that "the jews" declared war on germany

I doesn't? Do you mean "context"?

Seems you have trouble identifying sarcasm when you encounter it.
As for english you have trouble with using both subjects and verbs.

lying is like suicide? You wonder why people lie? Your two statements above demonstrate a profound ignorance of human psychology.

 

What does Germany and the bloody 'holocost' have to do with this thread?

Anyone tell me?

 

Well that is your view, and you are entitled to that view.

I disagree with your view, but won't hold it against you or anything.

 

Not a bit as I don't like him either. I just don't like liars and you certainly have done enough of it ranging from falsely saying the UNSC met to vote on Syria to putting words in others mouths to this utter falsehood about McCain..

The shoe seems to fit quite well given the evidence I supplied to the contrary and, your refusal to even support your contention with a bit of background.

Given that you have tried to support other lies with errant facts we do know you try to pull the wool over others eyes but it seems that this one is beyond your ability to spin a yarn. You don't have to do it for me as I'm simply reporting this and the other posts where this falsehood appears post in violation of rule #10 and leave it in the Mods hands.

Good luck on that one. Ta.

 

Jack, You should hold it against him. That is one of the major mistakes we made in America, giving free speech to those who hated us and sought to subvert us to lies and war.
It should not be legal to advocate murder, lies, theft, cruelty, etc., but we made it legal and protected.

And for the rest of us, "free speech" is how they identify their enemies.

 

I know you don't Jack and feel quite comfortable with my view as it is backed up by the Israeli leadership;

"Israel has a supreme interest in safeguarding the quiet on its borders and with its neighbors, the former military intelligence chief stated. “Continuing the calm security routine with Lebanon and Syria… is a moral, security, and economic interest. Israel must avoid as much as it can being dragged into the Syrian civil war."

Israel liked things just the way they were and has no interest in an Al Qaeda influenced bunch of yahoos taking over and carrying out attacks on the border whenever they smoke too much hubbly bub. You on the other hand feel that total chaos with hordes of crazies attacking at will is what Israel desires rather than calm.

I don't hold that against you Jack.

 

stop that. i might get a big head.

i work on the living

you can play with the dead, if that is what turns you on. You're heading that way, anyway.

i dont forget and neither have the bigots. Now the industrialized murder and ethnic cleansing is exampled in the college of bigotry, israel.

not even hitler could keep a concentration camp (gaza) as long as israel. I guess bigots even learn.

I know, you rag on the 6 million dead of ww2 but forget any but them

self 'chosen ones' by a religious belief (doctrine). I know it aint a reality and so do honest human beings.

Here is basic wiki, for the rookies: In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose

read a book............

ok.

you read too. and please note that now you have to hate other languages and their 'rags' too


"Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

"Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods! Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

"The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany. Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily Express, March 24, 1933.

"Each of you, Jew and Gentile alike, who has not already enlisted in this sacred war should do so now and here. It is not sufficient that you should buy no goods made in Germany. You must refuse to deal with any merchant or shopkeeper who sells any German-made goods or who patronises German ships or shipping.... we will undermine the Hitler regime and bring the German people to their senses by destroying their export trade on which their very existence depends." - Samuel Undermeyer, in a Radio Broadcast on WABC, New York, August 6, 1933. Reported in the New York Times, August 7, 1933.

Joining with Samuel Untermeyer in calling for a war against Germany, Bernard Baruch, at the same time, was promoting preparations for war against Germany. "I emphasised that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit." - Baruch, The Public Years, by Bernard M. Baruch, p.347 (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1960).

Samuel Untermeyer was a Jewish leader and close friend of presidents Wilson and Roosevelt.
Bernard Baruch was a presidential adviser to Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman.

"This declaration called the war against Germany, which was now determined on, a 'holy war'. This war was to be carried out against Germany to its conclusion, to her destruction" (Diese Erklärung nannte den Krieg gegen Deutschland, der nun beschlossen sei, einen heiligen Krieg. Dieser Krieg müsse gegen Deutschland bis zu dessen Ende, bis zu dessen Vernichtung, geführt werden). - Dr. Franz J. Scheidl, Geschichte der Verfemung Deutschlands.

"War in Europe in 1934 was inevitable." - H. Morgenthau, Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Hearst Press, September, 1933 (also quoted in "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jenson, p. 11 (printed by John McKinley, 11-15 King Street, Perth, Scotland)).

I address each item

and with 'stuff' that will show that some are just ignorant

I showed mine, now you show yours

yep and you're doing yourself in

i think i did like you once.

im sorry, i lied!


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The UN Security Council has held an emergency meeting to discuss an alleged deadly gas attack in Syria

The Security Council met after several Western and regional powers called for the UN team to be dispatched to the scene


They met and they did 'vote', just not the final to the whole body. The big 5 already met and "NO" was their answer.

I suppose you dont believe that without a link either?

i do.

I looked for the mccain footage, for a bit and could not find it but that is OK as it is trivial as the world is watchin him lie all over the issue. You aint a credible person to debate with, so i could care less about showing you anything, that i dont need to waste my time with.

I would retract, if that would shut you up and offer a foundation to dialogue on important issues. Mccain is already a labeled sob and I dont have to do anything any further at this point.

So if you lke to see him as a war hero, than go ahead. But the UN did meet, said no and you just dont like it. I am not talking about the big upcoming meeting, in which i hope more material information is shown to the public.

But the UN has already visited the issue and the proposal offered is DENIED by the two of the five that have veto authority.
You apparently dont like 'reality'

Ah the whine to the mods.

You calling me a liar, is a break of rules. How about they enforce them too?

I know

as you're already mad for being made a fool

 

That is correct as I would very much like to read the entire context of your proof as when you last posted this I went to the link where the story came from and found this;

”that the five permanent members of the Security Council met in a closed-door, informal meeting to discuss the U.K. resolution Wednesday morning, with Russia and China leaving after an hour and the U.S., France and the U.K. remaining for another hour.”.

You call throwing out a bogus statement and then refusing to prove it in any way shape or form in the face of counter proof a debate?

Good. Then we can agree he didn't kill anybody on the Forestall and that he is an American Hero. A dumb one but a hero nonetheless.

I will and, with all his medals and the awards for bravery there is no denying that.

Actually you are wrong as only the five permanent members met in an informal meeting.

Another lie. I did not call you a liar. Golly, habitual.

 

Tell you what, Obama ain't growing old well. Just seen him on C4 news, and he looks like a thin Morgan Freeman. Surely his salary and kick backs must stretch to a visit to the hairdresser for a bit of colour? Grey hair on a black guy just looks ... Morgan Freeman!

He has the look of a man caught between a rock and hard place. Who are these guys anyway, there are massive gaps missing about his past, and I don't mean the BC thing? They could be anyone really when you think about it, he came almost from nowhere, and it is hard for the average American to contradict any narrative given, albeit they can notice gaps in his past.

 

so i was right and you were wrong.

period!

Sorry, only five met to the 'strike' request. But a whole bunch met for the UN inspectors to begin their research.

bottom line, you are moving the goal posts like you did on the lying comment. You claim I am lying and that 'informal' means that I misrepresented truth, when in reality, you just look for a method to dodge your own responsibility to find out for yourself.

People like you are like the people that do not see israel as an oppressive state, that has been cruel to palestinians for the last 70 yrs.

Why bombard syria, when there are worse bigots right here on pf.

 

Not so long ago G. Galloway member of the British Government intimated that Israel gave Al-Kaida the gas that killed so many youngsters in Syria... This is not new... Israel has been hounded for more than 2000 years with false accusations, I can research a little more in addition to Col Dreyfus of France and the less than one Million Jews forced to leave the Arab countries... The Muslim Airheads excel in blame and accusations.