Announcement: New Infraction System and Revised Rules

Discussion in 'Announcements & Community Discussions' started by Dark Star, Jul 20, 2013.

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  1. Tom Joad

    Tom Joad New Member

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    I don't have to show you any stinking links.

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    The evidence is in the 100+ replies.
     
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    Translation: I would like to take this opportunity to try and ban any and all criticism of blacks, and do so via a weak attempt at intimidation and bogus labels.
     
  3. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    Agreed, although as I think you allude to, one can take strong issue with black culture, with group dynamics that produce anti-social results, and not be a racist in the least. Unfortunately, that realization is not one embraced by many liberals, as it both compels them to face reality while also taking the race card out of their hands.

    As for getting used to the name calling, etc., from another post, I would disagree. It derails too many discussions, and invites hoards of trolls that only further trash the joint.

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    We have a winner ! :clapping:
     
  4. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Like a "white conservative" has any clue about black culture and the group dynamics of racial oppression that produce anti-social results. :roflol:

    The problem is that all of this is based upon negative racial stereotyping and that is racist.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Translation, you have no idea what you are talking about because, I posted a post saying different and you obviously did not read it or simply could not understand it, I am shocked.
     
  6. Dark Star

    Dark Star Senior Admin Staff Member Donor

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    That's a tool that we'll probably be using quite a bit. I like it a lot myself. Every situation is unique - sometimes a hammer is the best tool to use, sometimes a screwdriver. And even when a hammer is the right tool, it doesn't always have to be the biggest hammer in the box. Sometimes someone just needs to cool down a bit, and a thread ban is all you need. But, then there are posters who seem to need to be cooled down in almost every thread, and for those people, you need to start pulling out bigger hammers. We don't have time to chase the same people all over the board every day, banning them from every thread they melt down in. If they can't keep themselves from constantly disrupting threads, they ultimately have to go.

    One of the problems with the old infraction system was that we had people with literally dozens of warnings for the same thing, and they just kept getting more and more warnings. That's a disservice to the entire forum, because every one of those dozens of times that they were warned or infracted, they lowered the level of the discussions and degraded the forum experience for the rest of the community. That's over. We'll work with people as much as we reasonably can to get the point across and change their posting behavior, but if they don't get it, this isn't the forum for them.

    You said something earlier about the subjectivity of the old system. I'd prefer not to get too deeply into that myself, but I will say this - every moderation system is inherently subjective to some degree or another. It's unavoidable, because no matter how you set up your system, at some point it depends on a human being (or a group of human beings) making a decision. This system is as objective and unbiased as a system can be designed to be. Properly applied, with common sense and good judgment, this is as fair as it can be. I want to thank you for your thoughts on this. I appreciate your input.
     
  7. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    I know what nationalis is, and ethnic nationalism. I was referring to that you called yourself a white nationalist and thus the nation in question is one defined by race. A black person cannot join this nation because of his race, and the nation is defined on a racial basis. To discriminate isn't something inherently bad as it basically only means differentiating. And since you would be differentiating people allowed to be part of this white nation based on race it would be racism. I'm just using logic and the definition provided by dictionaries here.

    Now, slashbeast happens to be banned. I hope he can view this anyways. I want the moderators to look at this too.
     
  8. Casper

    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    I find it interesting that on a thread put informing the posters of the new rules and violation policy a certain bunch could not even control themselves on this thread, resulting in deleted posts and I would hope violation points for those posters.
    Oh well.
     
  9. Dark Star

    Dark Star Senior Admin Staff Member Donor

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    Again I agree, but that's going to be a tricky conversation to have, and none of us are looking forward to moderating it. But we have to find a way. That's absolutely a valid topic. It's always gotten very volatile in the past, and I'm honestly not sure how it will work out in future attempts, but we have to at least make it possible in principle.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Presenting one study does not constitute scientific fact. Scientific fact is what has been repeatedly observed and never refuted. While no one has present a comparable study to you does not prove one does not exist and you would have to post mulitple peer reviewed studies to even start to call it scientific fact. Calling something a scientific fact is a high standard and we see over the course of time how scientific writings and textbooks are rewritten with new data as a result of newer observations and experimentations. Such as with human cause global warming and global warming in general. The studies are not repeatable, the conclusions are all over the place and one side routinely refutes the other so there is no scientific fact concerning global warming. Take the scientific fact that the sun is hot, repeated measurements prove it is hot and there are no studies that refute it. Take the freezing point of water, repeated observations prove it and no one can refute it.
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Your first 4 words of the second paragraph (top) pretty much tells us where you're coming from, eh? :roll:
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    It's a friggin self-induced nightmare.

    All I can say is WOW. Who's in charge around here? WB, are these YOUR ideas?
     
  13. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    Yes I do have an example. Once in a discussion, a member was describing what they saw in their hometown with the baggy pants down to the knees, gang-banger attire, and talking trash all the time. Just because they described what they had seen.....another poster called them a racist.
     
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    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    So, how long would you think we should just ignore bad behavior and give excuses for it? I don't think anyone is saying ALL blacks are one way or the other. I'm certainly not. I have several black neighbors that I socialize with and respect greatly. But I'll tell you what I don't respect....and I would say the same if they were white. Here in my area, there are groups of black youths who dress in gang attire and who will get on our rail system from Dallas to the suburbs late at night....riding back and forth. Everyone else pays; they don't. And no one approaches them about it because they are afraid. These groups take over the cars they are in.....are very foul-mouthed---as in the kind you wouldn't want your grandkids to hear. They are intimidating. Many people I know will not take this rail system....especially at certain hours.....because it's just too dangerous. Now, do you think that fair? Are you going to try and justify it in some way? Am I racist to simply talk about it?

    Here's a link that proves what I just stated: http://www.toddbensman.com/Bensman/Rails_Beset_by_Youth_Crime.html

    PLUS, my family members have experienced it.... so I have first-hand knowledge.
     
  15. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Yankees don't understand, JP5. They wouldn't last 5 minutes on the blue line.

    I've been called racist, ignorant, stupid, fat, old, hick, redneck, etc., etc., etc.

    So what? If I wasn't thick-skinned enough to consider the source, I wouldn't be posting here. We don't need a bunch of nanny mods trying to protect us from the mean ole "opposition." Like Shiva said, it's always been against the rules to call somebody a racist, but very few people actually report it. I sure don't. Who cares? Just means that's all they've got.
     
  16. JP5

    JP5 Former Moderator Past Donor

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    Questionnaires that ask people questions about racial attituides is NOT "scientific."
     
  17. Tom Joad

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    I tell it like it is in plain language.

    And I'm confident enough to admit to my own shortcomings.

    We all have them.
     
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    Blah ... blah ... blah ... yeah I know Shiva. Only liberals are qualified to comment on black victimhood. Only liberals understand it and are deemed sympathetic.

    Now that you are no longer a Mod, you seem to be getting pretty good at trolling yourself ! First thing you did in your post was attack me.

    Regardless, welcome to where I play. No more curtain to hide behind ........... :smile:
     
  19. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Jus saying... the last person who bragged about getting away with violating the rules of this forum was banned. Hopefully, that won't happen to you. ;)
     
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    Winter Bear, that is still happening and, IMO, the biggest offenders are from the right. Nobody is stopping their insults or their denigration of other posters' opinion. Your moderators are bias but do have time to tell me that I am "off-topic" when I post a reminder to them of what kind of posts should be deleted.

    Sorry, you are wrong. You have no way to monitor the moderators and I have seen first hand the abuse. Even when I report one of the moderators, all I get back is "We can't catch everything".

    I have gone back and forth about staying with this forum. I had hoped that today I would see real change but I haven't. There is a bias to libertarian views on what gets deleted. Although I have been insulted and denigrated, that doesn't bother me as much as the bias of the moderators.
     
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    there is forum out there just like that, unmoderated with no rules...it may seem like a good idea but it's quite pointless because everything degenerates into foul insults and zero value...and then there is forum that has so many rules it stifles any discussion, I got a warning on my very first post because some one thought my response contained to much sarcasm...

    this forum has a good balance as it is...
     
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    what about my signature?...it's a historically relevant politcal quote, against the rules or not?
     
  23. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    really? Here I was thinking they were biased towards leftism? I guess everyone feels they are biased somehow, and i believe thats a good indicator that they are somewhat even. they but faulty humans, but i belive they are doing a gopd job. hell, we have white nationalists, communists, libertarians, and liberals all sharing this forum and you hear from all of them. doesnt that say something?

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    It would be okay if there was any truth to it.
     
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    Uh............no. It's a lib/prog trolling tactic used my many but not all of the lefties on this forum.
     
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    Well I say the biggest offenders are on the left. Specifically about a dozen "professional trolls". And there ya go.

    Everyone has their opinion on who are the greatest offender are and mod bias, etc. <shrug>
     
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