Anti LGBT Mindset: Why are YOU against gay rights? READ MOD WARNING IN OP BEFORE POST

Back during those days when I fitted in reasonably well with the Worldwide Church of God….. and was designated a "member in good standing," or at least a "co-worker"... (basically from 1974 to 1990)……..I did tend to think that the leadership of the Gay Community were somewhat anti-Christian……….. rather angry with us Christians in general.

During those days I was wide open to belief in a conspiracy to put Christians in concentration camps much as has occurred behind both the Iron and Bamboo Curtain.

The NDE of Christian Andreason really did hit me with considerable cognitive dissonance from several directions.

My apologies if I posted this here already…. but I do believe that this poll does fit in pretty well with this topic. Note… this poll was taken on a ChristianForum:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7728763/

God's many plans for the Gay community???????
I am pretty sure it is over five years since I read the NDE of Mr. Christian Andreason. His NDE account has had a major impact on my life.

As a former follower of Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad Mr. Herbert Armstong I must admit that these statements put me into some serious cognitive dissonance at first!!!!??


www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

Five or six years later on and finally I feel confident enough to go into specifics as to what I strongly suspect are a few of the actual plans that the God of Abraham, the Creator of heaven and earth has in mind for the Gay community!!!!

Do you agree that God has plans for the Gay community?

Yes, God owns this studio, we are the actors playing out our role! 9 ………….. 24.32%

No, God would never compromise one millionth of an inch with sin!!!! 11 …………..29.73%

Yes, deep down we all love God and He has good planned for all of us. 15 …….40.54%

I have really never considered this idea before??? 8 …………………………………. 21.62%

 

Is it weird that I honestly don't care?

Here in East Asia, we don't understand why Americans are so concerned over the gay marriage issue. Doesn't the US have way, way bigger problems to worry about? Why aren't people more concerned with the wealth gap, the volatile economy, the depression of real wages, the complete polarization of the country and loads and loads of other material problems that impact everyone?

 

Because rights are important too. Sure, gay rights and marriage directly effects a small minority. But minorities are entitled to the same rights as others. In addition, when we discriminate it speaks to the character of the nation and all of us who comprise that nation.

Those other problems that you mentioned will not get anymore attention and we will not solve them any faster if the same sex marriage issue was not getting air time. The right wing nut jobs seem to have plenty of time to thwart the resolution of economic problems, protect the wealthy and fight gay rights.

 

I can completely agree that there is a matter of principle when it comes to gay marriage. Though I would argue that the very institution of marriage needs an overhaul, especially when more than half of them are ending in divorce.

But I can't agree that focusing energy on social issues like gay marriage does not detract from more material issues like the wealth gap. In fact, I would say that the wealthy elite deliberately manipulate the public by having the media give inordinate amounts of attention to immaterial social issues so that the public will remain distracted from the real issues affecting their quality of life.

 

I agree that the media does not pay nearly enough attention to these other issues and that it is manipulated by the dark forces of the power elite. I just don't think that they are using gay marriage to do so. The opponents of gay marriage aren't focused on any long term strategy to distract from other issues. They are driven by fear of change, religious fervor, and a need to kiss up to the conservative base of the republican party.

 

Best I can figure out thus far...after a careful and intricate evaluation of the reams of data available....




.....They thinks it's ICKY.

 

Yup….. as I was reading the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research…. the idea that I might reincarnate as a woman…….. really scared the hell out of me?????!

I wasn't entirely thrilled when I read that near death experiencers are being shown verification for what Dr. Helen Wambach had already discovered????!

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

I agree that those who are firebrand religiously opposed to gay marriage for fears that it will "destroy traditional marriage" are indeed misguided. However, they are also puppets of the media. Jerry Springer can't get a show going without someone on both sides of the "whose this baby's daddy?" routine, in the same way the media always needs two groups of hilariously over the top pundits to create a "controversial issue".

Gay marriage is easy since it's easy to understand, and easy to form an opinion on. Net neutrality, NSA spying, the wealth gap and globalization, on the other hand, are not topics that "average Joe six-pack" will be able to fully comprehend or form an informed opinion on. And more to the point, these issues don't carry the same pizazz and emotional fire that gay marriage is imbued with.

So yes, indeed, it's all a red herring.

 

I would agree, were it not for the fact that my inability to legally marry is hardly an "immaterial social issue" for me, and it is one that does affect my quality of life.

Moreover, I do not think that issues of equality more generally are unimportant compared to things like the wealth gap.

Matters of principle...matter.

 

Well, you can call same sex marriage a red herring if you want. Those who rail against it are puppets indeed, but I would more readily say that they are puppets of the lunatic fringe. In any case, I say that it is an important issue in it's own right . It's important to those who are directly effected by it and it's important to the country as a whole least we only pay lip service to the ideals of freedom and equality that we supposedly stand for. For this country to really be a great nation, we have to start by applying the constitution consistently to all issues and all people. Yes, wealth and income are also detracting from our greatness, but it's a separate issue and you can't put civil rights on the back burner until these other things are resolved, if they ever are. You might want to read by bio.

 

They're not granted "special" rights, if SSM is legalized you too can marry the same sex. Equality.

 

Fundementally if you are a conservative and you believe in the pricinples enumerated in the Constitution you can not be against gay marriage. It is the very rights and freedoms outlined in the constitution that should allow gays to be able to marry eachother if they so choose. And if that is not good enough answer for you then I will simply it. It is not the governments right or business to decide who can marry who; just as it is not the right or business of government to decide what type of firearm I have in my closet. Both rights should be covered by the constitution. While I respect Christian, Muslim belifes about the sanctity of marriage, you have every right now to associate yourself with homosexuals; you have no right to try and exclude them based on the laws of this country. So come on Conservatives. Be philosphically consistent in your beliefs!

 

Consistency is what conservatives are demanding. For over 6,000 years (millions more for the evolutionists) marriage has had but one fundamental definition of male - female religious union.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife (not husband): and they shall be one flesh.

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What I am advocating for is mandated PSAs to be run on TV and other media warning of the health risks and shortened life spans for people who engage in these unsafe practices.

 

It is one thing to not discriminate against gays, as we should all be equal when it comes to the law, but quite another to demand that all heteros accept homosexuality as not being queer behavior. You cannot force people to change their personal feelings about homosexuality. It is a disgusting act to me, for the thought of coupling with another male, makes me want to vomit, and so I do not think about it. But the gays seem to want me to not want to vomit at the thought of it, and that dog just won't hunt folks.

So, I think gays should have all the rights in a secular society as heteros in the legal sense. But it ends there. For to force people, or even expect heteros to find it perfectly fine, as if they could just indulge in it, like driving another make of car is where the problems begin. And these militant gays apparently want this change as well as changes in law, that should know not color or sexual preference in how it is applied.

The tendency of gays to flaunt their sexuality in order to shock heteros is just antisocial rude behavior. So, if you want to indulge in gayness, at least respect the other human being enough to keep it to yourselves, in private. Don't rub it in other people's faces, for that has nothing to do with gayness, and everything to do with a lack of social graces. Just respect others, and you will find more heteros standing up for you.

And at least be thankful that we no longer see you as crazy as bat (*)(*)(*)(*), affected with a mental illness. Appreciate the gains, and be thankful for those gains. And stop making a big deal out of being gay. For few people really do care, as long as you don't intentionally try to gross them out.

 

I'm against, not because i hate homosexuals, i'm against, not because i think that homosexuality is a sin. I'm against, because this people SHOUTS about their way of life! Because they can't live calm... I can continue that list forever.

 

Agreed

I don't think anybody's suggesting that. You can think what you like.

You can't force people to change their personal feelings about anything.

OK!

Really?

Yea, me too.

As far as the law is concerned, yes it does.

I don't think that's the aim, at least politically speaking. This is a political forum so we're discussing politics and the law not personal feelings.

I don't think anybody is proposing a law that says you can't dislike gays. How could anybody enforce that.

There's an awful lot of gays who don't flaunt their sexuality and an awful lot of straights who do.

I think, in fairness, if straight people did that you'd have a point but they don't. Yesterday there was a young couple outside my front gate engaged in a lip-lock for all of about 20 minutes. I thought that was over the top but what am I going to do? I asked myself what the reaction would be if that was a young gay couple. For my part, in either case, I would think that they were young and they'd probably get over it later in life. I wouldn't think that I had a greater right to object based on whether the couple was straight or gay but I know a lot of people would.

Like I said, it isn't just gays lacking in social graces.

Well to be honest they did try that but it took some militancy to get real action for their cause. If they waited around for heteros to do it for them, they'd have an awfully long wait not least because the vast majority of heteros don't really care one way or another. It's the lunatic fringe that has always made life difficult for them.

The point is, it's not for you to decide. You're not the boss of them just as they're not the boss of you. It's the constitution that's the boss of all of us and which we voluntarily choose to uphold. That's what guarantees everybody's freedom, not to what extent you personally feel a person's freedom should be curtailed to protect your own sensibilities.

I'm sure they do.

I don't think at least legally it's them who's making a "big deal"! I'm pretty sure they didn't invent or enacted all those (unconstitutional) provisions that turned them into second class citizens before the law.

But there's some people out there that really, really care and they form "institutes" and "councils" and "coalitions" to lobby for laws which prevent gays from enjoying all the societal provisions which straight people take for granted. Remove those barriers and I'm sure you'll be hearing a lot less political noise from the gay community.

 

Irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Perversion is subjective.

To what crime are you referring.

I'm an Atheist why should I care? Why should secular law care either? Secular law covers all of us. If you want to add extra restrictions on your life and the people who volunteer to belong to your particular religious creed, that's fine. Just don't expect the rest of us to acquiesce because we won't.

And us non-christians will just ignore that example because it has absolutely nothing to do with us. Is that OK with you?

 

It is relevant to answer the post.

A child knows the difference.

I wasn't answering you. Are you just trying to start an argument? That is called flamebaiting and should be reported.

 

Nice homophobic rant! My advice is, if you don't want to see gay stuff, stay out of gay bars, stay off of gay porn sites, and stay away from gay pride parades. Also, if you want to talk about flaunting sexuality and what people do in public, you might want to check out Mardi Gras or see what goes on at spring break in Fla. and in any straight night club. Oh and straight swing clubs are a place where you can really, really get an eye full.

If you want gay folks to act like every one else, and for the most part they do-TREAT THEM LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Then there would be no need for the militancy that you complain about.

 

We can treat them like everyone else when they act like everyone else. Keep you perversions to yourself. Go back to the privacy of your bedroom or in your closet as it were.

 

They can't act like everyone else because in a few remaining places unconstitutional laws prevent them from doing so.

Perversion is subjective. I bet I'd find some of the things you'd like to see as a "perversion" of justice.

What if they say "no"?

 

False.

Not on topic.

Then they have no complaint for any derision by anyone for their queer actions.

 

I think most people dislike gay people because of religion. Others dislike homosexuals because they find it gross. Overall these reasons are silly and outdated. Time to move on people.