Anti LGBT Mindset: Why are YOU against gay rights? READ MOD WARNING IN OP BEFORE POST

Advocates against allowing interracial marriage said that "since marriage is defined as between one man and one woman of the same race, anyone may get married, therefore there is no denial of rights." And that argument was thrown out, just as yours has and will continue to be.

Your argument amounts to nothing more than "since marriage in the U.S. is defined as between a man and a woman, marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman." Problem is that definition is what is being called into question, hence your circular reasoning is no defense.

And marriage is not about achieving orgasms. You don't have to be married to have an orgasm. Maybe this is news to you?

 

Valid and logical ? Really? It's apparent that all that you want to do is to make inane assertions that you can't or won't explain. I had asked what benefits gays want that do not pertain to them. I asked what equality means to you. I got nothing but some moronic assertion that government has no role in gay relations . WHY? How are "gay relations different from heterosexual relations? We're done here until your ready to actually have a conversation.

 

Since marriage in the U.S. is defined as between one man and one woman, anyone may get married if they are not close relatives and are of majority age and are not already married.

 

Marriage

"A state of being married, or being united to a person or persons of the opposite sex as husband or wife; also, the mutual relation of husband and wife; wedlock; abstractly, the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence, for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family."...

"The legal union of a man with a woman for life; the state or condition of being married; the legal relation of spouses to each other; wedlock; the formal declaration or contract by which a man and a woman join in wedlock"...

"The civil status, condition or relation of one man and one woman united in law for life, for the discharge to each other and the community of the duties legally incumbent upon those whose association is founded on the distinction of sex."...

 

The right to marry the person of your choice assuming that they are willing to marry you. And don't give me any equine excrement about how they can marry someone of the opposite sex just like you. That is just moronic and I've heard it to many times before.

 

Since marriage in the U.S. was defined as between one man and one woman of the same race, anyone may get married and therefore interracial marriage bans should be allowed.

Oh wait, that's a stupid argument. Yours is equally stupid.

 

No one, except the Democratic party, ever claimed miscegenation, and that is still male and female.

Should people who prefer self-orgasm be given special government treatment including tax breaks and Social Security benefits?

 

No one ever claimed miscegenation...what? That is not a coherent sentence.

No. What do orgasms have to do with marriage licenses? What's wrong with you?

 

I agree, male and female = marriage, skin shade is not at issue.

 

My error.

No one, except the Democratic party, ever claimed miscegenation is a problem.

 

Skin shade is not an issue, nor should gender or sex be an issue.

Well that's just BS. You need a history lesson.

 

They are not an issue. The law is clear.

False. The KKK was and is Democrats. Look at the historical voting records of Democrats on Civil Rights issues. Dems vote against, Repubs for for. Boooyah!

 

Right. The 14th amendment is clear that equal protection of the laws is important.

You said only the Democratic Party has ever had a problem with miscegenation. Plenty of people unaffiliated with the Democratic Party of had a problem with miscegenation. And most who are still against it today are likely not Democrats. It is clear to me you are just a troll, so this will be my last response to you.

 

The KKK has always been far right in their stance. At that time the democrats were indeed the conservatives. In this century, the KKK recruit and try to advance their cause using issues of illegal immigration, urban crime, civil unions and same-sex marriage. Who does that sound like to you???

 

I'd shut up and sit down too if I was you.

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False! The KKK is as left wing as the fascist Nazi's in fact many KKK display Swastika armbands.

 

The ability to marry has EVERYTHING to do with government benefits. The ability to marry is still too often restricted based on sexuality. That is unless you think that gay people should marry people of the opposite sex to get those benefits-and how will that be a good thing for the durability and stability of the family. You do care about the family don't you? It's the bigots who have divided people in categories- Homo and Hetero. To those advocating for equality, everyone is the same.

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Where in the Constitution does it talk about getting hitched? I missed that part.

 

Well you're certainly free to file a friend of the court brief when the next gay marriage case comes up and present your antiquated dictionary definition as your evidence. I just hope that I can be there to see you lambasted by the judge.

 

Not any more it isn't, and it really doesn't matter what the US defines marriage as if that definition is deemed unconstitutional (as it has been). The state cannot deny anything to one specific group of people that it gives to another group of people, it cannot deny marriage to same-sex couples if it allows heterosexual couples to marry. Now I fully expect the usual response of what about people who want to marry children, or close relatives marrying . .which of course are separate issues and nothing to do with SSM

Yet you want to redefine the English language to accommodate your beliefs ie Racism, ironic really.

 

When government got involved in marriage, they must afford equal protection under law.

 

What about close relatives? Polygamy? Minors? There are restrictions on marriage and marriage was never before defined as anything than between males and females.

 

Fact: There is no mention in the constitution about marriage at all and we all know that so dispense with the stupid questions.

Fact: In every state of the union, opposite sex couple can take for granted their right to marry if they meet certain minimum requirements.

Fact. Same sex couples, while they too can marry in about 37 states, still cannot in the others.

Fact: The Supreme court has said that the right to marry is a fundamental right 16 times in various cases. It is highly likely that they will extend that right to same sex couples in the near future.

Fact: Numerous federal courts have said that bans on same sex marriage are unconstitutional because gay couples are "similarly situated" and that the state has failed to provide a rational basis leave alone a compelling government interest in denying them marriage. Those are legal terms. Do you understand what they mean?

Any more questions?

 

Defense of Marriage Act is still Federal Law.

 

Oh boy , we actually know something. Can you elaborate. Do you know which section was overturned and what it said? Do you know which section still stands and what it says? Can you explain what bearing it has on what I'm saying here and it's impact on pending cases. Do you really think that you can just toss something like this out there and somehow use it to refute something that I posted-while not even understanding what the hell you're talking about. I smell desperation.