Anti-Ukraine propaganda

There are several anti-Ukraine threads on this forum, all from the right.

This us how the right works: Drum up faux outrage at the expense to taxpayers, spread that anger far and wide relentlessly, and don't forget to tie it into something involving poor, hungry children. Repeat ad infinitum. But by no means should they ever mention the fact that the programs we already have to feed those hungry American children keep getting their budgets cut, by the GOP.

I'm expecting many more attempts to stir up resentment towards Ukraine in the coming weeks/months. You guys are so predictable.

 

We are spending 100's of billions of dollars for military assets, Ukrainian public employee salaries and retirement payments, salaries for Ukrainian first responders, financial support for Ukrainian small businesses and who knows what else. It would be better to spend that money at home. New York needs money to house the illegal aliens they invited to come, for instance. It would be even better if we didn't spend it at all since we can't afford it. So yes, you can easily predict that conservatives believe in America first and less federal government. I hope the fulfillment of your predictions isn't an epiphany.

 

So we shouid be spending billions on a corrupt country instead of our own? Why can’t EU collectively oust Russia since it’s on THEIR doorstep? Their collective border into their economy? Don’t see any EU countries sending us billions to protect our southern borders and the invaders and legit terrorists from all across the globe coming in by the truckloads?

The claims how giving them billions is so good for us still aren’t very convincing.

 

and yet at home some politicians are trying to keep money from being spent at home....

 

The short version: if the US stops helping Ukraine, and in general stops intervening on the international arena on a regular basis, your frenemies will allow themselves to become more aggressive and gain power through means that would otherwise attract painful sanctions from the US. Countries, even those that are normally US allies, will gravitate toward the new powers - alliances, military pacts, trade agreements, investments, and a general tail wagging at the feet of the new masters for the benefit of peace and territorial integrity. The mighty dollar will fall. The billions you're now spending for Ukraine will stay in the US, but will be worth a lot less. Isolationism is really an exercise in futility.

 

Maybe it's one of those Russian bots

I mean, even on the right, they HAVE to have received some History class in High School or somewhere, in which it was explained how expansionist dictators, when allowed to do what they want, they just keep expanding their territory. The oceans have shielded us so far. But I don't think that's much of an impediment anymore.

 

What is up with the love affair the left has for a corrupt and oppressive country?

Did anyone hear see where Trudy and other Canadians gave a standing ovation to a Nazi who fought Russians in WWII simply because that Nazi was Ukrainian?

What makes Ukraine important to our national security and prosperity?

 

There will always be "better things to spend our tax money on" and no one is ever happy with where it all goes.

What do you suppose will happen if Ukraine falls to Putin? Why isn't that fight important?

 

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegati...ica/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253

We aren't alone in seeing the disastrous consequences should Putin succeed.

Have we asked the EU for aid? Would you really want that? Would that make us great?

 

See #5. @Pisa explains it quite clearly.

 

Maybe we simply just don't care? The Minsk agreements weren't at all being taken seriously by either side. What's worse is that Ukraine was attempting to join NATO which further antagonized Russia considering NATO was deploying soldiers to the eastern countries in Europe. Once that happened within two months Russia attacked Ukraine over their attempt to join NATO and their own rejections of the Minsk agreements. NATO itself is the problem because it demands submission or you're the enemy. It has only expanded its reach since the wall came down and having Ukraine no longer as a neutral state left Russia with little options considering the heavy amount of propaganda that Russia receives. Even when they were attacking ISIS the USA tried to create no fly zones in Syria to disrupt Russian planes that were supporting the Syrian government. How could anyone believe that NATO is a benevolent organization?

I simply don't care about Ukraine. They made their bed and they should lie in it. This is another WW1/WW2 scenario of USA meddling with finance and weapons all over again. Do millions have to die because of the power hungry world elites?

 

Ukraine's constitution clearly stated that they had no immediate intentions of joining NATO . . . and that didn't change until after Russia invaded. Joining a defensive organization who might help you defend yourself against an invader isn't "antagonism." This is the equivalent of saying that someone locking their door is antagonism and means I can kick in the door. ****ing nonsense.

 

There was an agreement that NATO wouldn't expand eastward towards Russia after the wall came down. Ever since that time Hungary, Poland, Romania, Czechia, Estonia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia, Slovenia, Slovakia, and recently Finland has joined. This bloc of nations has constantly propagandized the evil Russians... what do you theorize the end goal of this organization is? Is it to topple/coup the Russian Federation? One with any political sense would view it as a threat. Even moreso after the western coup in Ukraine that turned it into a neutral state into a pro-western/nato state.

 

Funny how Russia so fears an organization whose only purpose is to stop those fascists from invading other countries.

 

Funny how the "fascists" only attacked their neighbors once they started trending towards joining an Anti-Russia organization that constantly coups foreign governments and replaces them with puppet leaders that enslave their people.

 

Ukraine hadn't joined and had no plans to join until after they were invaded. By the way, the "agreement" you talked about is completely fake: PolitiFact | Fact-checking claims that NATO, US broke agreement against alliance expanding eastward

 

It isn't fake because it was voiced several times there was no goal of eastern expansion. It wasn't official with it being in a treaty but, it doesn't take a great statesman to know that an organization is an enemy if it continually demonizes you. Even moreso when they're attempting to surround you and have numerous avenues of attack. Considering Ukraine & Georgia were both couped by western revolutions it stands within reason that Russia would face a similar threat once their western border is surrounded by NATO aligned countries.

Also the claim that Ukraine wasn't seeking to join NATO is a lie. Zelenskiy was already having conversations about joining NATO similar to Georgia was back in 2008.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ing-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

 

If you leftists want to bring millions of illegal aliens in the country and spend a fortune on them, then you should be ready to give up something else. A lot of American citizens are hurting because of what these aliens are doing to state and local government spending amounts.

 

Tiawan, South Korea, Japan and NATO.

 

Ironic to see the poverty party point a critical finger at the right. I understand their position. Can you defend yours?

 

If China attacks Taiwan, Biden will sit around for a week, like he did with the spy balloon. Then he will say we should do something, like complain to the UN Security Council. Biden has been paid off.

 

Well you're likely to find out. I can't speak for "the right" but I've never seen this war as winnable by Ukraine. Worst case scenario, the war drags on for years until the Ukrainians simply run out of cannon fodder and either cut some sort of deal with Russia or refuse to talk and Russia takes the whole country.

Slightly less worse case (and really the only other one available) is that before any of that happens Ukraine and Russia negotiate and Russia takes big chunks of the country anyway.

I mean, what do you expect to happen? The only other option would be for NATO to intervene militarily, which is basically World War III. I guess that would actually be THE worst case scenario.

Nobody has presented a realistic way for Ukraine to win, so meanwhile tens of thousands of lives are being chewed up for no reason. Why should I support that?

 

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1. Poverty party? I assume you mean the Democratic party. I'm not a member.

2. So many reasons . . .

If I must choose one good reason to continue our support of Ukraine, it is this: once Putin obtains Ukraine, he will not stop there. He has already demanded that NATO reduce activities (meaning, move troops/weapons/equipment out) in those countries he claims as part of “historical Russia,” such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Finland, all of which are NATO members. He's been rattling sabers along his western borders for years. If he so much as lobs a grenade over one of those borders, Article V of the NATO charter gets invoked and WWIII begins.

 

See #24.