Anti-vaxxers crumble as every prediction fails to come true

No problem. I said what I wanted to say. I'll leave you alone.

 

How do we do that?

 

You were wrong about determining the cause of death without an autopsy. Time to punt.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/anti-vaxxers-crumble-as-every-prediction-fails-to-come-true.615853/page-30#post-1074722186

 

You have a point when it comes to the elderly and frail. While I know many seniors 80 yrs old+ that do not need this produce, I realize we have some sick people that the virus could be the straw that killed the camel.

None of this changes the fact that the risk for healthy people was close to zero prior to the product being pushed.

 

Okay. What ever floats your boat.

 

The above comment is completely false. Repeating it over and over does not make it true. No one was immune from Covid nor is immune from any virus unless they take a vaccine or had it earlier and built up immunities and even then that is no 100% guarantee. To repeat such a patently false statement only shows your clinging to falsehoods. The fact some people were what is called asymtomatic (not not experience symptoms) of Covid or other viruses did not and does not make them immune to those viruses.

There is absolutely no evidence, NONE that would indicate some people may have DNA that prevents ACE2 or other genes from allowing a Covid invasion.

This is precisely why you make such a statement with zero evidence and may I say this is what has happened in the US since Trump became elected. People mimic his behaviour of stating opinions with zero evidence as fact.

Its part of the cellphone dumbing down of society.

Stating what you did without evidence is as stupid as Trump having speculated people could inject themselves with disinfectant or shine a light on the virus and make it go away.

The idiocy never ends.









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"Nuh uh" is not a valid argument. We have years of data. Please tell us the risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people and children.

 

I numbered the above comments made to make it easier to respond to them.

In regards to 1- no it is obvious from D's comments he is actually obsessed with denying the purpose for and the medical benefits the vaccines have played in stopping the spread of Covid and lessening its symptoms both which have now been proven with sufficient studies and anyone can find. I would arguye What D is fixated on his fear of the Covid vaccine because if he was interested in his family's health he would not operate and form his opinions based on fear of doctors, pharmaceutical manufacturers, governments, etc.

In regards to 2, the question shows D mixes up long haul Covid symptoms with the reactions to taking the vaccine. What we do know is the reaction to taking the vaccines were constantly monitored. The vaccine was not given to anyone with a history of immune disorders, cancer, diabetes, heart disease or any evidence of medical history that could suggest they could have a severe reaction. The reactions did occur were temporary pain and swelling at the needle site. Some people did report the day of or after the vaccine they felt a fever, muscle aches. Careful monitoring showed very few of any fatalities but yes some people developed fatal symptoms but it was from Covid not the vaccine.

The fact D asks the above shows he is unaware of the studies on what happened to people taking the vaccine and how we now know that over 95% of people who took the vaccine did not die from it. What we also know is that in most fatalities there was what was called a co-morbidity factor, i.e., a pre-existing condition that when exasperated by Covid, not the vaccine, killed them, i.e., from heart failure or lung infections.

In regards to 3, what we knew and know is that taking the vaccine by cutting down the length of its gestation period in each individual who took the vaccine, made it less likely they could have spread it especially if they had not taken the vaccine and were asymptomatic. The shortening of the gestation period most certainly cut down the likelihood of it being spread. D once again confuses the concept of t he fact that the vaccine could not prevent the virus from spreading to unvaccinated people who would then spread it but it could and did cut the length of having it during a contagious stage which in turn cut down the level of its spread which was the whole point of asking us all to take the vaccine. No one said it was a cure and could 100% stop the vaccine. What was said was the vaccine could help cut down the spread of the illness and types of symptoms that required hospital care so that others could get that hospital care. I was a matter of risk control not cure and for D to not understand that at this point is strange indeed.

In regards to 4, again D made an irresponsible subjective statement that is false/ What was proven beyond doubt is that there was a surge in deaths of seniors precisely because they caught Covid from loved ones or others and this adding their immune deficiencies from pre-existing old age and other chronic conditions was fatal. How D does not know this and the surge in senior deaths I openly question.

In regards to 5, what product and why was it inferior? There were 3 basic vaccines and the ingredients were public knowledge. The reference "inferior" makes zero sense. This suggests that ALL vaccines were made up of compromised ingredients. The sheer number of people who took the vaccine and that impact on the spread of Covid is now public knowledge. Again DS throws out accusations with zero proof.

In regards to 6, again it is absurd for D at this point to say its not scientific to state how Covid compromises breathing and the lungs. That is very well known through numerous studies of the sick and those who died.

In regards to 7, again D shows he does not understand the topic he talks about. The long term impact of Covid on certain people is unknown, the long term impact of the vaccine is. If D had ever made an effort to find out how the vaccines work he would know none of them have long term impact and that is precisely why we have to take them over and over precisely because they "wane" which is the term used to explain the built up immunity protection they provide, is only temporary. Again for D to pose as if he does not know this is beyond reason

No one who has taken a vaccine whether it be for Covid, rabies, herpes, the flu, measles, chicken pocks, polio, ebola, cholera, typhus, on and on has ever shown impact years later after the immunity effect wore off. To suggest they would is again irresponsible and ignorant of the active properties in these vaccines.

I again strongly suggest people like D are typical of parents who join groups based on fear and ignorance of science and so for example buy into idiocy that vaccines cause cancer, autism, zombie mutations.

No. Chances are more probable what D has caught is what is called ultramaga-itis. Please D stay away from bleach, ultra violent light, and Trump. Trump has 3rd stage syphilis, Pick's disease, amphetamine addiction, and a cluster of personality disorders. No he is not that way because of Covid or loose dentures.

Have a nice fearful day D.

 

Provide the years of data repudiating anything I said. Please. You clearly did not read what I wrote and therein lies the problem. I have never argued healthy people required hospitalization from Covid. Why would I? Its not what I responded to. Clearly you did not read what I challenged in your past words. Can you please do that?

Since you are not, I will stop responding to you. With due respect you have problems reading what I and others have responded with and the points we did make not to mention defining the actual medical claims you think you are making which confuse different issues and concepts.

 

That not how it works. If you are selling trump products like bleach and the covid "vaccine" you need to show the risk these products are meant to mitigate. Children, young, and healthy people are already close to zero risk.

Please post the risk of hospitalization/death for young, healthy people.

 

You are incorrect. I have extensive experience in maintaining a strong immune system. I don't get sick. No colds, flu, strep, etc. There are many like me and forcing these people to consume this product denies scientists the opportunity to study. I have no issue with your decision to consume trumps rushed product.

 

If you have a list of better experts, I'm happy to see it.

 

I go with the experts .. personally -- being one myself .. I go with the science .. which states that to the normal healthy person the Jab was far more risk of harm than any increased risk from facing covid unjabbed. .. SAR of 1 in 800 for the average person according to the pfizer-moderna phase III clinical trials. .

 

I’m sorry but you are a purveyor of misinformation.

https://www.aamc.org/news/are-some-people-immune-covid-19

Before you start referring to the idiocy of others you may want to educate yourself. There is plenty of evidence genetics provides immunity to viral diseases.

We are still studying Covid but the evidence points to several genetic pathways that provide partial and complete immunity.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...nsin-converting enzyme-2,SARS-CoV-2 infection.

 

The risk of death is very small for, say, people under 50, but the potential damage to one's long-term health is also an issue. Health risk is not "close to zero." Of course, the vaccine is not the only mitigation measure one might take.

 

The product we are discussing has little to no value for healthy people. What is the actual percentage of risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people?

 

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Your damn claim, you go fetch.

 

Thats not how it works. If you are selling a product, you are the one that has to justify why I should take it. You are right about Americans being unhealthy. Its because of consuming products deemed safe by the FDA! Here you are telling me I should take a product deemed "safe and effective" by the FDA. Did you now that this product comes with a "take at your own risk" disclaimer?

 

I'm telling you nothing, do what you want, but stop trying to influence people just because you have some foolish anti-vax issues.

Pretty much every medicine has that! Even supplements have that disclaimer.

 

The term "anti-vax" was fed to people to rebleat for the purpose of demonizing those refusing to consume this product. This is false as the vast majority are current with their necessary vaccines. I don't take the flu vaccine because I have a strong immune system and don't get the flu. An elderly person with existing conditions may want to consider consuming this product.

I would like to influence people to stay active, and avoid consuming products that cause illness. I can show you long term studies on daily exercise and eating a healthy diet. Can you do the same for the product we are discussing?

 

No it wasn't. It's used to describe useless claims as to its "non" efficacy.

Good, nothing wrong with that.

Really, has it not been cited and quoted to death enough for you?

 

Check this report:

298,792,852 doses mRNA covid vaccine

340,522 VAERS reports (0.113965912%)

22,527 serious VAERS reports (0.007539336%)

4,496 VAERS reported deaths (0.001504721%)

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099(22)00054-8

 

Did you have a point friend ? You would not be trying to compare reported events by some population on par with a Phase III Clinical Trial I hope.

1 in 800 .. Severe Adverse Reaction -- Phase III Clinical Trial Results -- Moderna and pfizer .. the results on which the decision was made to release the Jab on humanity .. deal with it.

VAERS reports -- holy carp friend but the VAERS reports has no relation to reality ... the PHASE III Clinical Trials are the Reality.... U Understand ? Me Scientist .. you .. some nice person who does not understand the data he is looking at in relation to the question at hand.