Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

First of all, I think that Stauffer's assessment of $1.8 Trillion is far more realistic total of aid to Israel when you add up decades of forgiven "loans", "Joint Projects", Grants, Military Gifts, discounted weapon's sales and even US Troops stationed in Israel to die for Israel.

All of that in hidden sources costs Americans far more than $146 Billion and Netanyahu says:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away"

Just as the aid to Pakistan and the Saudis pales in comparison to the real aid to Israel(2) so do the betrayals. No "ally" has betrayed the US so severely or as frequently as Israel's Right Wing government.
Examples of Israel's betrayals begin with the Lavon Affair in 1954 and continues today(3) as aid to Israel continues to flow.(4)

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Talking about the Saudis and the Pakistanis is silly in comparison to to the blood and resources the US has sacrificed for Israel.




(1) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel


(2) "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

By Thomas R. Stauffer

EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED


(3) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED


(4) "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "In fact, the case of Israel’s espionage on the U.S. is only one among different problems which have damaged American national interests due to the actions of Israel over the last few decades. Consider, for illustration, four major evidences as explained below." CONTINUED

 

Nobody cares what you "think". We only care about what you can prove. And there is no way you can prove even $500 billion in loans, grants, discounts, joint-projects, to Israel.

I dont even expect you to try.

 

Would saying something nice about Israelis make Biden look bad?

 

Isn't the issue that he wasn't charged with that crime or any crime? Plus, the fact that he was one of many who were released which were mentioned in the same article.

 

Well the New York Times did not have the Texas Synagogue attack on their front page the day after. So how pro-Jewish can it be?

 

Why should Israel reduce it's nuclear arsenal? Israel is the only sane major player in a region full of insanity. Israel must remain MUCH more powerful than the human waste terrorists in Iran.

 

As an unlawful combatant, he's not protected by international laws of war.

They're weren't released yet.

In this particular context, certainly. Not only because a terrorist who murdered Israelis is going to be released on his watch, but also because Biden is a die-hard supporter of the defunct two state solution, ready and willing to fight for it to the last drop of Israeli blood. He resumed payments to the PA despite (or is it because?) their pay-for-slay policy.

 

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That's what pro Israel MSM wants you to believe.

In addition to studying this troubled region for over 50 years, I spent 10 - 11 months walking and hitchhiking around the Islamic Middle East to try to find out the truth behind the multiple conflicts which are not so simple as you represent.

Just as there are many sane, rational and peace seeking Israelis, there are just as as many war mongering Zionists who use Israel's nuclear arsenal to blackmail other countries (including the US & Europe) for expanding Israel as per the "Oded Yinon Plan"(1) and the further Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine's native residents(2).

Another reason to be concerned about Israel's nuclear arsenal is its well known "Sampson Option" that was used to blackmail the US during the '73 War.(3) When will Israel blackmail the US again?

Finally, there are no more madmen In Iran than Israel so it seems as hypocritical as it is absurd to deny nuclear weapons to Iran who has not attacked anyone in 300 years while rewarding Israel for maintaining an illegal nuclear arsenal.





(1) “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East"

The Infamous "Oded Yinon Plan".

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

EXCERPT “The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.

“Greater Israel” consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates. According to Stephen Lendman, “A near-century ago, the World Zionist Organization’s plan for a Jewish state included:

• historic Palestine;

• South Lebanon up to Sidon and the Litani River;

• Syria’s Golan Heights, Hauran Plain and Deraa; and

• control of the Hijaz Railway from Deraa to Amman, Jordan as well as the Gulf of Aqaba.

Some Zionists wanted more – land from the Nile in the West to the Euphrates in the East, comprising Palestine, Lebanon, Western Syria and Southern Turkey.”CONTINUED


(2) "Israel aims its nuclear warheads at Europe"
https://www.voltairenet.org/article164432.html

EXCERPT "The author of The Transformation of War forcefully stated that, as of now, there are already nuclear warheads aimed against Rome and other European capitals that render the threat credible and the "transfer" of the Palestinians possible." CONTINUED


(3) "The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal And American Foreign Policy"
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/revi...s-nuclear-arsenal-and-american-foreign-policy

EXCERPT "Hersh argues that it is virtually certain that Israel received accelerated aid from the United States during the 1973 Yom Kippur War by "nuclear blackmail," i.e., threatening to use nuclear weapons against the Arab foes." CONTINUED

 

@Grau , you stated the following:

"First of all, I think that Stauffer's assessment of $1.8 Trillion is far more realistic total of aid to Israel when you add up decades of forgiven "loans", "Joint Projects", Grants, Military Gifts, discounted weapon's sales and even US Troops stationed in Israel to die for Israel...."




I think this is baseless nonsense. Hyperinflated numbers.

However I will give you a chance to prove your claim. I challenge you to post a detailed itemized list of all costs of aid, loans, bilateral contracts, and other costs specifically between Israel and the United States. And all other costs that directly and honestly relate to Israel.

Not a link to some website. But an actual detailed list. If you are able to do this I will donate $20 to the charity of your choice.

If not, then we know the claim is baseless nonsense.

Do you agree to my terms?

 

All I can do is to give you my opinion after over 50 years of following Mid East events and support that opinion with a credible source.

If you really think that the NY Times is free of bias, I can't change your mind.

 

All media has a bias. Some pro-Israel, some anti-Israel. A few are in the middle.

 

Stauffer, who was a well respected economist, already did what you asked.

I'm afraid that I don't have the time to replicate his work.

 

i see

 

hmm, I see the breakdown. Its VERY easily debunked.

https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

#1. Only a complete bigoted moron would blame Israel for the Gulf War, and the cost of protecting Saudi Arabia and the other Gulf States since 1991.

#2. Israel is the cause for US aid to Greece, Turkey, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, the Caucaus states, the former Yugoslav nations??????????? According to what insane and backwards logic??? Is Israel also to blame for US aid to Latin America???

#3. There is no breakdown for "Trade preferences, loan guarantees, privileged contracts and technology access". Its just his claim. No evidence, no supporting details, means its total bullshit or he is too lazy to actually take his claim seriously and get into details. Shameful.

#4. Israel is to blame for the USA's objective of energy and oil independence? That's stupid. The Saudis, Gulf States, Russia, LOVES to sell us oil.

#5. There is NO evidence that American aid to Israel in 1973 equals more than a trillion dollars. From what I read, it was around $500 million.



So, looks like most of Stauffer's claims are silly bullshit.

 

I hate Bibi. He is a right-wing scumbag. But this quote is a fraud, and he never said it. There is no evidence that he said it. Nobody who "heard" him say it has ever written about it.

DEBUNKED

 

The creation of Israel, built on post-holocaust guilt, was a bad idea. Putting this explicitly Jewish country in the middle of a bunch of Muslim ones, with all the irrational religious fervor and bigotry on both sides, displacing a bunch of people to do it, and then providing weapons.

It almost seems like they wanted the deaths to happen.

 

I think that's part of your problem: you've been following it for 50 years. I on the other hand have only been following it for about 5. So I have no problem believing that the New York Times was ONCE very pro-Israel, and anti-Palestine, maybe even as recently as 6 years ago, but not anymore! I say about 6 years ago because many of the articles which you post to support your position are at least that old.

Yes, it's full of LIBERAL bias! Don't you agree?

 

@chris155au you can expect not only more anti-Israel bias in the media from now on, but also vitriolic hatred for the Jewish state. Reuters, the news agency whose materials are reproduced by more than 2,000 news outlets in 128 countries, has just hired a far-left journalist who used to write for the virulently anti-Israel rag +972 Magazine. Yay.

Source https://honestreporting.com/reporti...s-apartheid-and-is-built-on-jewish-supremacy/

 

History is not your friend.

 

Indeed. It is full of people doing boneheaded things for boneheaded reasons. This is one of the best examples.

 

Yep. Boneheaded anti-Zionist couch warriors pretending they know better what's good for everyone in a region an ocean away. Best example indeed.

 

Look.
When Israel declared independence it stopped sending Irgun after British soldiers to blow up a hotel and decided to stay under the protection of the USA where there was a large Jewish population, often the result of the Holocaust.
That was logical and beneficial.
However it then joined th UN, relatively new and of a very western, liberal nature at that point.
In joining the UN, it promised to respect international (UN) law.
It has not done so.
In fact it has become a rogue state and respects no other western state or ethnic community unless it benefits Israel.

THAT is my issue with Israel.

 

So you're saying Israel has a "Israel First" policy? sounds very Trumpian.

 

Israel shouldn't exist. It should not have been created. But now that it is, we have to deal with that reality, and the people of Israel do have a right to self defence. But that should not be equated to a right to repress others.

 

First of all, if you want any more responses from me, lose the snarky tone and drop the puerile flame bate emoji: ""

Without reading Stauffer's original assertions your responses to them are meaningless and it's common knowledge that Netanyahu & Israel's Right Wing lobbies pushed the US into the Iraq War (1), (2).

Who else did the Iraq War benefit as much as Israel's Right Wing and the "Greater Israel" (3) set?

Neither you nor Stauffer factored in the cost to the US of Israel's stolen secrets. Jonathan Pollard's treachery, alone, cost $ Billions and who knows how much Israel's theft of US secrets and sale of them to the Chinese(4) really cost Americans.

While it may surprise you, I am not anti Israel and appreciate the contributions it has made to the world.

What I strongly object to is Israel's Right Wing Ethnic Cleansing, it's expansionist agenda and multiple betrayals of my country.

My first loyalty is to the US and what is in its best interests.
America's best interests are not served by bankrolling Right Wing Israeli parasitism, Ethnic Cleansing(5), war mongering, and expansionism.




(1) "Israel's Netanyahu 'absolutely' supports attack on Iraq"
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/12/netanyahu.cnna/


(2) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


(3) “Greater Israel” or “Greater Khazaria”?

• Israeli plan for Mideast empire aided by IS.

https://americanfreepress.net/greater-israel-or-greater-khazaria/?print=print

EXCERPT "Now the Zionists—and their American lackeys—are doing the same to establish Israeli hegemony throughout the Middle East and North Africa. And it was long planned. But is the intention merely for “Greater Israel”—“from the Nile to the Euphrates,” as Theodor Herzl proclaimed—or is this the first step toward a world empire we should call “Greater Khazaria”?

In 1982, the World Zionist Organization’s Department of Information, their propaganda arm, published “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties,” by Oded Yinon. This “Yinon Plan” has been followed for decades by Israel in order to establish “Greater Israel.” CONTINUED


(4) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"

https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china


(5) “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/almost-half-of-israeli-jews-want-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html