Are some US and British media outlets biased on Israel & Paelstine?

It depends on how closely you've followed Mid East events and to what degree you've been influenced by Israel's army of paid, trained and scripted Hasbara trolls (aka "hasbarats") (1)

The truth is that Israel has repeatedly betrayed the US as early as the Lavon Affair (1954) and as recently as as their theft of US secrets and sale of them to China (2).

Between these 2 different betrayals was Israel's deliberate attack on America's USS Liberty in which 34 American G.I.s were murdered and Jonathan Pollard's theft of US secrets and sale of them to the former USSR.

Finally, in a rare moment of honesty, Netanyahu best described the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002 (3)


(1) "hasbarat"
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hasbarat
EXCERPT "A member of the Israeli internet propaganda unit HASBARA. A hasbarat is typically mistaken for a run-of-the-mill "troll" due to their constant efforts at derailing any productive discussion and their penchant for starting flame wars.

But, they differ from regular trolls in that they have an actual objective and it's to redirect discussion away from any criticism of Israel and any topics that may result in negative attention for Israel. Their tactics are crude and know no bounds. But, they are professionals, as difficult as that is to believe, they are on the clock and being paid by the hour for their trolling. Most are "college students" and IDF reservists working out of their boiler rooms in Israel. They operate according to a manual called "The Hasbara Handbook" which can be found online." CONTINUED


(2) "Israel is being a bad ally to the US over China"
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/israel-is-being-a-bad-ally-to-the-us-over-china

EXCERPTS "To be specific, if Israel continues closely engaging with China, the U.S. must reduce its military, intelligence, and technology engagement with Israel's government. That would be a big step, but this concern is very real.

Unfortunately, this is only the tip of the iceberg." CONTINUED


(3) “Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170819014914AA8hRm2

 

Bibi never said this. Its baseless nonsense.

 

How do you know what Netanyahu said or didn't say?

At least I can provide a source:

“Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20170819014914AA8hRm2

Can you produce anything that shows that the quote is "baseless nonsense" ?

 

The one and only source for this quote is bigoted conspiracy theorist Wayne Madsen. He did not hear Bibi utter the words. He was told by somebody who claimed to hear it.

That person has never written his account.

The claim, is baseless nonsense. Unverified. Unsourced. Anonymous supposed witness.

 

I'm back. Lucky you

First thing first. Please explain how did Israel send anyone to do anything before it existed.

I don't understand the "protection of the USA" thingy. What protection?

There is a principle in customary international law defining the borders of a new state on the territory of a former colony - uti possidetis juris - according to which Jews have the right to settle anywhere west of Jordan, because that was the border when the Brits retreated. There are two written documents, generating international law, that give Jews the right to settle anywhere west of Jordan. One of those documents is the UN Charter (chapter XII, article 80), the other is the Document of the Mandate. The UN is violating international law when it passes resolutions against settlements, but then those resolutions are not binding, don't generate international law. Israel is actually respecting the international law generated by the UN Charter, unlike the Unwanted Nobodies.

I don't know why you say that Israel doesn't respect western states or ethnic communities. Please explain.

 

Are there any other countries you think shouldn't have existed, or are Jews the only nation in the world that should remain forever stateless?

 

Yes, the picture of a Jewish American student attacked by Arabs was captioned "Palestinian beaten by Israeli police".

Bari Weiss, who resigned from the NYT, hit the nail on the head:

https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter

 

The Israeli "army" called Irgun were strongly operating before and after the declaration of independence.
The border issue isn't between Jordan and Israel. It is, as you know, with lands to the north of Israel the British called Palestine and which were under the British mandate, due to be over. Israel declared independence the day before that date and deliberately didn't define a northern border. They crossed over into what now was undefended and legally undefined land and voila, the Nakba. The plan for Palestine had been to seek statehood in the UN but it never got done. We all know how useful that is to Israel.

 

IMO I have no issue with Israel existing...if only it existed according to international law.
I have a far bigger issue with a country being identified by a faith.
Buddhists are "stateless", Christians are "stateless". The idea of any state being designed around a faith is directly contrary to my appreciation of secularity.

 

Irgun ceased to exist when Israel was created. It was never an Israeli army.

I don't understand your post. The geography is wrong.

The whole territory of the British mandate was called Palestine. Back then, everyone knew that Palestine is the Jewish home. Palestine Post was a Jewish newspaper, the Palestinian national football team was Jewish.

The land left in limbo by Arabs' decision to reject the partition plan rightfully belonged, according to the international law generated by the UN charter and the Document of the Mandate, to the former colonial subjects who founded their state on that land, aka the Jews. Every inch of land west of Jordan should have been Israeli, but the British thought otherwise and armed and led the Jordanian army against the new Jewish state. Four other Arab armies invaded as well. Undefended land? Pfftt.

The British created the mess, the Soviets exploited it, but Israel is always blamed.

 

Buddhists are not a nation. Christians are not a nation. Jews are a nation. Israel is the nation state of the Jewish nation.

I don't see anything inherently wrong with the idea of a state being designed around a faith. Not my favorite kind of state, but who am I to decide for millions of believers what is and what is not good for them?

Do you have an issue with Pakistan?

 

As a secular humanist, I do.
I don't deny Israel's right to exist, I merely disapprove of the terms and conditions of its purpose and that faith is a fundamental driver of its laws.

 

Irgun disbanded in 1948. However eventually it became the Likud party...which must ring some bells.
The Irgun policy was based on what was then called Revisionist Zionism founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. According to Howard Sachar, "The policy of the new organization was based squarely on Jabotinsky's teachings: every Jew had the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation would deter the Arabs; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state".[2]
(snip)
The Irgun was a political predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut (or "Freedom") party, which led to today's Likud party.[17] Likud has led or been part of most Israeli governments since 1977.
Wiki

Palestine was not a Jewish homeland under British mandate. It came after the Nakba.
As for whether a state SHOULD be founded on someone else's land. I for one find that a most untenable idea.

 

Again, you have no idea what Netanyahu said or didn't say and slandering Wayne Madsen proves nothing.

There are numerous sources that confirm that Netanyahu said:
“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, 2002

For example, Gil Hoffman, not Wayne Madsen was among the first to cite Netanyahu's quote so now you can go off and slander him.

Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”
https://tobefree.press/2017/04/19/n...he-united-states-it-can-dry-up-and-blow-away/

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”
—Netanyahu, the prime minister of “Israel” to Jonathan Pollard upon exiting Pollard’s jail cell., [1]

1. ↑ Hoffman, Gil (2009-02-10). “Kadima wins, but rightist bloc biggest”. Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 2009-08-11.

 

hahaha!!!!

the link goes right to Wayne Madsen's nutcase website.

he didnt hear Bibi utter the words, he heard this through some anonymous source.

anonymous sources, dont count.





"U.S. intelligence sources report that the one Israeli who is considered an extreme threat to U.S. national security is former prime minister and current prime minister hopeful Binyamin Netanyahu. Not only has Netanyahu visited convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard in his North Carolina prison cell and advocated strenuously for his release, but he was once overheard by an ex-CIA agent as saying to a group of his supporters, "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."


^^^^ no name, anonymous, baseless quote that cannot be verified.

aka....bullshit

 

@Grau

the article says its from a Jerusalem Post article on 8/11/2009.

NO such article can be found.

So like I said, its baseless nonsense.

Unless you can find the article.

 

Anyone interested in the legitimacy of the Netanyahu quote can simply Google it:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”
—Netanyahu

Or check any of the numerous sources that confirm its legitimacy:

https://www.quotemaster.org/q8da87be6957d927735bc145596436a2e

https://www.inspiringquotes.us/quotes/4BxE_d7fmQpY1

https://quotefancy.com/quote/134247...an-out-of-the-United-States-it-can-dry-up-and

 

You cant be ****ing serious.

These "quotes" have no source, no link, no time or date or location of so-called quote.

No way to verify.

Did you really think these count as evidence?



I expect a lot more, even from you.

 

What the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvia_Grossman

 

Good. The media's reaction to Trump as President may have something to do with them becoming less pro-Israel and generally full left-wing in opposition to him. It's been said before that Trump BROKE the media.

Would you call the New York Times liberal?

 

anyone interested in the legitimacy of this so-called Netanyahu quote, would reject such link as they have no source, no date, no time, no location. they cannot be verified at all. they are in fact the WORST so-called evidence for a claim, I have EVER seen.

just wow.

 

Do you actually think that this CONFIRMS its legitimacy?

 

It's some of the worst evidence for a claim I have ever seen. These links are almost embarrassing

 

There are at least 25 other web sites citing the same quote and not one challenging it. If it were fake, I'm sure that any of Israel's innumerable paid, trained and scripted Hasbara trolls (1) would have challenged it.



(1) "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen.

Israel and partisans of Israel have long had a significant presence on the Internet, working to promote the Israel narrative and block facts about Palestine, the Israel lobby, and other subject matter they wish covered up.

In addition to these, however, a number of orchestrated, often well-funded projects sponsored by the Israeli government and others have come to light. These projects work to place pro-Israel content throughout the Internet, and to remove information Israel doesn’t wish people to know.

Under this program, Israeli students are paid $2,000 to work five hours per week to “lead the battle against hostile websites.” CONTINUED

 

They also don't supply the source of the quote, the date of the quote, the location of the quote. It's all baseless bullshit that cannot be verified. Its a pathetic and failed attempt to support a claim.

Shameful.