Arizona same-sex married couples are seeking adoptions

Fortunately for me, I don't care what a group of perverts thinks about me

As far as what you think is some sexual revolution that's somehow going to turn into a massive long-term acceptance of homosexuality can only be characterized as nothing more than grand delusion on your part.

When NAMBLA is cheering you on... you're on the wrong side.

 

We don't care what the spiteful loathsome bigots think of us either, the majority of you will be dust in a decade.

Every poll available disagrees with you. I know you don't like to review sources but feel free to post some recent polls showing otherwise. Even Republican judges think the notion is unconstitutional, you lose again.

When Westboro Baptist Church (and Russia and Iran) are cheering you on ... you're on the wrong side.

And not that you care, but gay rights orginizations have permanently blocked nambla from their platform.
You have a severe unhealthy obsession with pedophilia, you might want to get help with that.

 

If you think that people bigoted towards homosexuality will be gone in a decade you're more delusional than I thought.

Regardless of what you or I say the Supreme Court is going to declare that the State has the right to define marriage as it sees fit... exactly like it declared in the DOMA decision. And unfortunately for you, if you want a marriage recognized you're going to have to go somewhere else... because the Tennessee Marriage Protection Amendment, also known as Tennessee Amendment 1 of 2006, is a state constitutional amendment banning same-sex unions. The referendum was approved by 81% of voters. It specifies that only a marriage between a man and a woman can be legally recognized in the state of Tennessee.

 

Ahh yes, a law passed almost 10 years ago in the most deeply conservative state in the union. Lookin at national stats in 2006 at 62% you would expect it to be higher. Current polls (as we do not live in the past no matter how much the bigots think we do) put opposition below 60% in Tennessee, and falling. So your side barely has a majority in the least supportive state in the nation.... Funny

I never said that all people that hate gays will be gone, but check the age brackets for the ones most opposed (hint: its mainly 65+ and mostly all male, life expectancy for individuals in this bracket is ~70 [source], so yes, gone in a decade.)

And I have no current desire to get married, my partner and I are perfectly happy with our relationship as it is and without government intervention; that may change one day but for now I simply support the right of others to enter into protective contracts as they see fit.

People in my age bracket (under 30) support same sex marriage 3:1. So even if the court sides with your view (doubtful as it would invalidate thousands of unions that they have allowed to continue along with the equal protection clause) these arcane laws will one day be repealed.

People also swore they were on the side of the law during segregation and during interracial marriage...
And guess what happened there. If I remember correctly the bigots were, once again, told their hate has no place in society. You can hate all you want in private, you just cannot force the government to enforce your hateful view.

 

No one claimed he was "JUST" homosexual. It is you and others that insist he is not homosexual.

 

Which makes him bisexual

 

Well he could be bi-sexual instead of homosexual.

 

I dont see any requirement for exclusivity in the definition. Revealing that you read into it, what is not there.

 

If he is attracted to both sexes, he is bi-sexual and not homosexual. Now he may engage in homosexual acts, but that doesn't mean he is homosexual if he his sexual preference is both sexes. He would have to answer that on his own.

 

Whilst I myself do not keep up on the NAMBLA newsletters, what its it the defunct group said that is relevant to adoptions in Arizona? I would be most interested to hear.

Or is it safe to assume that invoking the name of NAMBLA is sort of the Godwin of the anti gay crusade?

 

The APA would likely not label him a homosexual. What do you think this entire conversation has been about? One study of prisoners convicted of child molestation that found such a high prevalence of homosexuals, used the prisoners self identification of either homosexual or heterosexual to classify them. After the fact the APA criticizes the study and argues that the homosexuals are not what they have identified as.

 

Actually, all of you have already answered that for him.

 

Not really, all we know is he engaged in both heterosexual and homosexual acts. That doesn't prove him bi-sexual, homosexual or heterosexual. If he doesn't have sexual preference for both sexes he could be heterosexual or homosexual even. If his sexual preference is both he is bi-sexual.

Preference and acts are two different things. While there are males in prison that engage in homosexual acts, that doesn't make them homosexual. The act for them is more dominance and power than preference. It is their preference that makes someone homosexual, bi-sexual, heterosexual, etc.

Only he can answer his preference. What I have said is my opinion of what I think he is, but that doesn't make it fact or correct.

 

He is also homosexual according to the dictionary definition.

 

If he were attracted to BOTH sexes sexually he would be bi-sexual, not homosexual. That is according to the dictionary definition.

It's a persons preference, not act, that determines whether they are heterosexual, homosexual, bi-sexual, etc.

 

Yep safe. Why do they never mention NAMGLA when referring to heterosexual issues?

 

??? He would be both according to the definition.

 

The more correct definition of someone that is attracted to both sexes is Bisexual.

Homosexual would be someone attracted to the same sex and not the opposite sex. By definition he would engage in homosexual acts, but the preference is still bi-sexual.

 

Are the gay members of NAMBLA going to be excluded from being allowed to adopt male children?

If not, then how is it not relevant?

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You want to give me NAMGLA's website?

 

I don;t know, are they? Is this a legitimate question asked out of not having the pertinent knowledge.

 

No thanks, not my thing but I will give you this:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1541230.html

I. Factual Background
On September 3, 2008, a grand jury returned an eight-count second superceding indictment charging Christie with possession, receipt, and advertising of child pornography, in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 2251(d)(1)(A), 2252A(a)(2)(A), and 2252A(a)(5)(B). The indictment was the culmination of a two-year investigation into the website of the North American Man-Girl Love Association (“NAMGLA”), a site that featured a password-protected forum where users could post links to sexually explicit images and videos of children and comment on those materials.
- See more at: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1541230.html#sthash.plI5Chmp.dpuf

 

I challenge you to find me ANY remnant of NAMGLA anywhere. Not a case against 2 people that found a total of 40 members.

Here's an ACTUAL group that holds rallies, engages in gay-pride parades and has a MASSIVE following of homosexual men.

NAMBLA.org

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No they are not. So if we're going to be giving gay people the righ tto adopt then we have to take into consideration that NAMBLA members will be allowed to do so. Don't we?

 

You are equating gay people and NAMBLA as the same thing. They are not.

Also, adoption personnel take a look at the safety, quality, and care of the home for the adopted. If you are found to be a KKK member, adoptions can be cancelled as well.

 

Just more horse(*)(*)(*)(*). Yes there are some real perverts out there and they may be members of NAMBLA. They are not homosexuals . NAMBLA members will not be allowed to adopt. Do you think that people who adopt are not carefully screened? Do you not know that gays have been adopting children for years? Every state except one allows adoption by gay people. Lets see how many cases of child sexual abuse you can find out of the millions of kids adopted by gays and hundreds of thousands more who live with gays but are not adopted.

 

Give me a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing break... the first American homosexual activist group was started by Harry Hay... Harry Hay In 1994, then in his eighties, was among the signers of a "Spirit of Stonewall" proclamation that argued that efforts to ban NAMBLA from the New York "pride" parade violated the spirit of the original Stonewall "rebellion," which is revered by homosexual activists as the spark of the modern "gay rights" movement. (In 1969, homosexuals and others then regarded as deviants rioted in response to a police crackdown of the Stonewall Inn in New York City.)

The Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) declaration read in part:

Stonewall was the spontaneous action of marginal people oppressed by the mainstream — of teenaged drag queens, pederasts, transsexuals, hustlers, and others despised by respectable straights and "discreet" homosexuals. …

SOS is an ad hoc committee of lesbian, gay and other individuals and groups formed to bring Stonewall 25 [celebrating the 25th anniversary of the riots] back to the principles of gay liberation. We focus on one of the most glaring departures from those principles: the attempt to exclude [NAMBLA] . …

NAMBLA's record as a responsible gay organization is well known. NAMBLA was spawned by the gay community and has been in every major gay and lesbian march. … NAMBLA's call for the abolition of age of consent is not the issue. NAMBLA is a bona fide participant in the gay and lesbian movement. NAMBLA deserves strong support in its rights of free speech and association and its members' protection from discrimination and bashing.

In 1986, Hay's pro-NAMBLA activism had a role in what became known in homosexual circles as the "Harry Hay incident." As part of a protest against the Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade, Hay taunted organizers for excluding the North American Man/Boy Love Association by wearing a sandwich board that read, "NAMBLA Walks with Me." This event is chronicled by Hay's biographer, homosexual writer Stuart Timmons, in The Trouble with Harry Hay: Founder of the Modern Gay Movement. The book includes a photo of Hay in the NAMBLA sandwich board.

More recently, Hay wrote an essay for the pederasty magazine GAYME, according to a "queer" magazine Web site. GAYME is a magazine for men who are sexually "into boys," according to one Web reviewer. It is produced by former NAMBLA Bulletin editor Bill Andriette.