As socialist dream crumbles, Venezuelans find Nicolas Maduro 'a bad copy' of Chavez

it has to do with better capital management, not socialism. socializing the cost of the largest combine harvesters in the world can increase production to meet inflation.

 

Maduro is completely hapless and will probably be out of office by the end of the year. And honestly, socialists have no business supporting him. Venezuela has always had capitalist production relations and has never made a step towards proletarian conquest of power, let alone actual socialism. The Bolivarian "revolution" was a laughable coup by a bunch of economically inept clowns draped in red flags.

 

You keep claiming the USA sabotaged socialism while ignoring the fact that the USA fed and feeds more of the world including socialist nations than any other country. So much for that spin. Once again this is fact the USSR had more arable and fertile farmland than any other nation in history yet for decades the USA sent them grain to feed their masses.

Incidentally people are starving in parts of the world but not capitalist nations. It is the norm in socialist nations,

Yes that again. Historic fact not opinion. Mao slaughtered tens of millions as did Lenin and Stalin. Most others such as Castro and Minh and Khaddaffi were only limited by smaller population but were still mass murderers. The political murder apologists you link to merely spin and willfully ignore facts as do you.

They are catching up in being more modern wealthy and well off. Communist nations are proven to be the largest polluters.

I rteffered to all Cubans and no there was no skew in the data. The fact is they have shorter life spans higher infant mortality and an abysmal health care system they do not export doctors doctors flee the place.

Of course Castro says otherwise but that is empty propaganda he NEVER allows any independent verification.

Neither Castro or Guevera killed very many people in combat the battles of the revolution were mainly fiction. Castro won primarily by bribing cuban military officers.

Guevera slughtered tens of thousands without trial and even for initiation rites. He whole heartedly admitted to this and even enjoyed it he was a proven murderer not a solcier. The accounts of his abuse and torture is also well documented. Granted he is not a PROVEN rapist but reliably accused of it while still a teenager. You really need to learn some real history rather than cliches which is all you seem to know.

Saying that the USA has done some wrong is not an argument. It is not about the USa versus socialism but about the disgusting nature of socialism.

Socialism is slavery as I pointed out. Maybe you missed the obvious. You have to give a slave what the slave needs to keep the slave alive ( to each according to his need ) otherwise he cannot work for you. It is the slaves labor ( ability ) that you take ( from each according to his ability).

The definition works precisely for both crimes because they are the same.

Sorry but slavery is not limited to captalist systems in fact they abolished it socialism IS slavery to the party of the masses or the worker or whatever other master the collective identifies as.

You know little or nothing about marx or history.

Humans do not and have not spontaneously risen up as you claim the example you claimed is a failure.

Marx said and meant dictatorship plain and simple which never whithers away. Your spin cannot alter that fact.

Massive failure AGAIN

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Wrong the only criminals he murdered were those vageuly accused or suspected of not being a loyal communist he was an absolute barbaric bloodthirsty sadist torturer and animal.

 

Anyone else remember when the toilet paper shortage started down there, because people were selling it across the borders-and the govt said it was because everyone was eating more food?

Ah, the things lefties say and do.

ONE of these days, heaven on earth will be created.

 

Josef Stalin was mildly repressive??? He was the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century and personally responsible for somewhere between 35 and 50 million deaths, excluding deaths caused during WW II! He was a paranoid mad man who killed everyone around him and literally starved to death millions
in the genocide he presided over in the Ukraine.

Your appreciation for socialism is put in perspective by your remarks about Stalin. And it's incredible that, while Venzuela falls apart, millions of mentally defective Americans want to see Bernie Sanders become president. The incredible stupidity of some people and their inability to learn from history
(or even know about it) would doom people in a just world but in this country people are insulated from their own idiocy by the counterbalance of others
who can see what's going on all around them (your post notwithstanding).

 

I am an educated man. I know what the mainstream view is. I've done my own research, however.

The famine effected the entire union and the idea that it was a targeted genocide was the invention of nazi propagandists. The purges, according to the soviet archives after 40 years of people who hated Stalin and wanted to discredit him, resulted in 800,000 arrests, most of which were released to a normal life after their sentence was complete.

Give me some credit.

 

Stalin called these people useful idiots.

 

Whenever socialism or communism fails, supporters immediately say, "Well, they just didn't do it correctly".

What a bunch of crap.

 

Though clearly bias in your post you bring up a great discussion in politics.

Capitalism has huge flaws. It hates renewable ANYTHING because if it's renewable it means the profits ARE NOT RENEWABLE. As stated in other topics there are more shirts than backs, more homes than humans, more food than we know what to do with. So today we are directly restricting things so they can bring higher profits.

Yesterday's farmer that use to have a wind mill on the farm thinks wind energy is a Liberal agenda.

Yesterday's farmer that use to have a water wheel on the farm thinks that water energy is a Liberal agenda.

The truth is what we are seeing is a massive restriction of basic goods and services. The Right Wing hates basic goods as services to be free, they are profit focused.

 

Religion, like followers of Stalin, Fail to notice that they are the Totaltarians. They all mean well and follow blindly.

 

They didn't not do it correctly, in this case. They didn't do it at all.

 

You're an abject apologist for one of the most evil human beings ever. You deserve no credit. Only pity and wonder.

 

If I'm wrong.

 

Can one be right when defending and rationalizing to cover for the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? I think not.

 

Good socialism requires good social morals for free. That includes a willingness to use capitalism for all of its worth.

 

I read today they are changing the clocks there to preserve electricity.

The things lefties do...

 

Denialist are gonna denial.

 

People don't want their lives micromanaged by government. Socialism and especially communism fail because they go against human nature.

 

Just bad management. It happens under capitalism, all the time.

 

Lots of educated men were deluded by the communist pipe dream.

Many met their end in a most unsavory manner under commie rule.

 

I don't believe that he was a mass murderer. All of the evidence and even common sense itself shows that the famine was not an intentional effort, and the documents show that the purges were blown out of proportion.

You're refusing to even consider that I might be right. Your argument against me is that I'm wrong because I'm wrong.

 

You're wrong because there is no reason at all to believe you might be right. You sound like a holocaust denier and the genocide in the Ukraine is a generally accepted fact among all historians and that's just one aspect of Stalin's murderous dictatorship. His long killing spree was much more wide spread than that

I could cite numerous studies proving your asinine revisionism but facts and scholarship obviously have no effect on you and for whatever psychological
reasons or defects you may have you have apparently have made a clean break with reality, just like those that deny Hitler's holocaust have.
I have no interest in your revisionist stories. Period.

 

I've long studied history, and the actions of the Cheka, NKVD, Mao, etc have kept me up at night.
16 years as a Paramedic and thats the only thing that keeps me up-and the fact there are still defenders of what they have done.

 

Fortunately the lunatic fringe is very small and not well regarded.

 

Have some books.

Scholarship does not, in fact, support the idea that the famine was intentional.

There's actual documentation of the holocaust. The idea that the USSR decided to commit mass murder for no real gain or ideological purpose is invented by nazi propagandists. Robert Conquest isn't taken seriously by academics anymore for a good reason.

But because my opinion goes against a long propaganda campaign, you automatically refuse to hear what I have to say.