As socialist dream crumbles, Venezuelans find Nicolas Maduro 'a bad copy' of Chavez

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  1. Jack Links

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    They will ALWAYS make bad decisions, because there are no incentives for them to do otherwise.
     
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    Normal human beings don't operate based on profit motives. Human beings are empathetic creatures and generally cooperate for mutual benefit.
     
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    Unless of course they are making socialist economic decisions which prove to be bad....as in this case...then it can be shown that socialism is indeed bad!
     
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    Altruism is a character trait of the White Race. Others do not share that. Blacks are still enslaving each other in Africa. When they obtain power they care not for the suffering of others, as long as they 'live large' for themselves.
     
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    The vast preponderance of opinion and evidence is against you . I don't know how much clearer I can be. If you want me to say, Okay...Stalin wasn't really as bad a guy as they say
    then you are wasting both our time.
     
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    Yes.

    They are making socialist based decisions.

    Are you American?

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  7. AmericanNationalist

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    I disagree, all Economies by nature(and specifically, your local wallet) works best when centrally planned. It's the plan itself(the details) that leave for consideration. I only want to micromanage it, to the extent where, whenever loopholes exist, or where it appears to be a damaged sector, we should be able to repair it quickly. The flaw lies in when the economy effectively loses dollars and thus market purchasing value.

    Just like the common layman.
     
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    I disagree. All humans act based on their conditions(conditions striving for a better life). And ideally, they'd do this in a mutually beneficial way, but when push comes to shove(IE: Poverty), some try to escape through ill-gotten gains and methods. The ideal system for society, is one in which promotes mutual benefits to all people, instead of dividing us along class lines, etc.
     
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    Commies have had a 100% failure rate, but somehow it's going to be different next time.:rolleyes:

    You'll hear the straphangers peddle all kinds of excuses.
     
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    Ah so you work your job for free.
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    EVERY ONE of these lefties thought the same thing.
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    All they have to do is get rid of all the haters. Then its time for utopia.
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    In 1913, Imperial Russia was the largest economy in Europe. Eight years of socialism later, it wasnt even top 10.
     
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    Well that's lucky, because there is no government in communism.
     
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    You think that is bad, the numbers are even worse for any divine Commune of Heaven.
     
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    And the state of denial continues..............so sad. :frown:
     
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    Continuing failure of socialist governments to run their own nations will just lead to another round of tiresome excuses (no one has ever run a socialistic government in the right way, it's the lousy capitalist's fault, etc.). It's like listening to all the leftists make excuses for the Obama presidency.

    By the way, Obama's socialized medicine scheme...big failure.
     
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    The US is doing ok. We have the best form of socialism in the World.
     
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    Because the wealthy Democrats aren't paying their fair share. If they did, they would not be wealthy, would they?
    So, leveling the playing field only applies to the non-government peasants.
     
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    1929 actually happened; 1984 is still just right wing, Orwellian fantasy.
     
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    The aristocrats enjoyed all of Russia's resources.

    The size of the economy is misleading and says nothing about the quality of life enjoyed by the average person.

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    The white race doesn't exist. There's more genetic similarity between races than within.

    You'll also find that the people behind most of history's raping, brutal exploitation, and genocide, are all white.

    Furthermore, the very concept of white people erases a lot of diversity. I'm ethnically a western slav, which is distinct from the nordic cultures, the cultures of the italian peninsula, the celts, etc. You're being racist against your own race.

    Oh, and to throw another thing out there: Wealthy people are statistically the least generous, whereas poor people are the most altruistic and donate the most. Black people are the poorest ethnic group in America on average. Put two and two together.

    Africa was a pretty nice place until white people discovered guns first and promptly used it to ruin Africa.

    If you look at history, you'll find that the global dominance of european cultures is pretty new.

    I'm a pretty big admirer of Thomas Sankara, the Burkinabe revolutionary who, even after becoming the leader of Burkina Faso, owned only two motorcycles, a guitar, and a broken fridge.


    Read up on ancient history and the modern history of Africa a bit more. Your views are the result of ignorance, and you'll find that they don't reflect reality at all once you get a wider perspective.

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    By your logic, the great depression is conclusive prove that capitalism is bad.

    Or maybe we can take a more nuanced view of economic systems and realize that they can have ups and downs as a result of specific circumstances that are unrelated to the wider ideology of the system.
     
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    Sorry, I don't accept Marxist critical theory history.
    If Whites are so terrible, why do the third worlders wish to come here? Why aren't their countries a paradise?
    Why don't they wish to return to their brethren?
     
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    Not relevant. You said Russia went from being two centuries behind the rest of Europe to a superpower because of socialism. Clearly that is incorrect. It went from being the largest economy in Europe to the fifth largest. The rapid increase in the qualiy of life in East Germany after the change from socialism to capitalism if further proof that you're wrong.
     
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    That's okay. I'm not in the habit of taking the inter-lynching ramblings of aspiring klansmen to be gospel, it'd be hypocritical to expect you not to be skeptical.

    I'm saying that with some humor, before you get all upset.

    Because we're rich off of their ruination. They can grab a slice of the pie if they come over.
    It might have something to do with the brutal dictators the USA has been supporting for the past few decades.

    Abacha, General Sani —————————-Nigeria
    Amin, Idi ——————————————Uganda
    Banzer, Colonel Hugo —————————Bolivia
    Batista, Fulgencio ——————————–Cuba
    Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal —————————-Brunei
    Botha, P.W. —————————————South Africa
    Branco, General Humberto ———————Brazil
    Cedras, Raoul ————————————-Haiti
    Cerezo, Vinicio ———————————–Guatemala
    Chiang Kai-Shek ———————————Taiwan
    Cordova, Roberto Suazo ————————Honduras
    Christiani, Alfredo ——————————-El Salvador
    Doe, General Samuel —————————-Liberia
    Duvalier, Francois ——————————–Haiti
    Duvalier, Jean Claude—————————–Haiti
    Fahd bin’Abdul-‘Aziz, King ———————Saudi Arabia
    Hassan II——————————————-Morocco
    Marcos, Ferdinand ——————————-Philippines
    Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez —El Salvador
    Mobutu Sese Seko ——————————-Zaire
    Noriega, General Manuel ————————Panama
    Ozal, Turgut ————————————–Turkey
    Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza —————Iran
    Pinochet, General Augusto ———————Chile
    Pol Pot———————————————Cambodia
    Rabuka, General Sitiveni ————————Fiji
    Montt, General Efrain Rios ———————Guatemala
    Salassie, Halie ————————————Ethiopia
    Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira ——————–Portugal
    Somoza, Anastasio Jr. ————————–Nicaragua
    Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. ————————-Nicaragua
    Smith, Ian —————————————-Rhodesia
    Stroessner, Alfredo —————————–Paraguay
    Suharto, General ———————————Indonesia
    Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas ———————–Dominican Republic
    Videla, General Jorge Rafael ——————Argentina
    Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ———————-Pakistan

    That's an alphabetized list of them.

    It's better to live in places that haven't been ruled by a bloodthirsty madman with CIA backing.

    I don't understand how someone can look at history and see all of the great civilizations of Northern Africa and Asia and conclude that white people are superior, given that europeans were primitive compared to the rest of the world until about 1300. Looking at history can only lead to the conclusion that civilizations rise and fall as they will, with no regard for something as petty as race.

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    They were still backwards feudalists and way behind. They just had a lot of luxuries going in to the aristocracy.

    That is, assuming your claim was true.

    Also, Russia became a player on the world scale. That much is undeniable. They did well for their position.

    The fifth largest for everyone is leagues better than the largest for a handful.

    Furthermore, the fall of socialism in the eastern bloc was a disaster that lead to a massive economic downturn and a huge wave of deaths.

    Nowadays, you can get rich in eastern europe, but you can also die poor, and the second one is many times more likely.
     
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    socialism merely requires, social morals for free.
     
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    I feel no sorrow for them. Just as I feel no sorrow for the millions of our millennials who adored Obama and now have piles of useless diploma's, wilted Obama posters and debt.
     

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