Australia Plans to Kill 2 Cats Million by 2020

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  1. Phoebe Bump

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    I plan to kill one feral cat unless it stops claiming my house and stops driving off one of my two cats. Or I'll trap it at least and let the Human Society kill it. I'm giving it another week to leave peacefully. It comes into the house, eats my cats' food (which I don't mind), and pisses on our cabinets (which I definitely DO mind). It stands guard at my back door and chases my cat off.
     
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    So many cats, so few recipes.
     
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    this is the type of situation that CrueCab can't comprehend..... he's acting like we are suggesting that his domesticated cats sshould be killed, too. Noone is suggesting that. This is a FERAL CAT hunt, not a pet cat hunt.

    He can't separate his emotions and love for his individual cat, from the reality that feral cats are wiping out indigenous species in Australia.


    So unless he has some other suggestion that can eliminate the situation over there, that hasn't been tried already, then he just needs to stay quiet and let people who understand reality, do their thing. Noone is forcing him to hunt cats if he doesn't want to participate.
     
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    I went ahead and looked this up. I learned something today!
     
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    A feral cat is not a domesticated animal and cannot be domesticated. Once wild (feral) they remain feral.

    We rescue many cats, but a feral cat cannot be rescued as it cannot be domesticated. Once a cat goes feral, it cannot be changed. One cat we had for some years got lost somehow and was found months later. It was wild, feral, and all efforts could not revert it back to a pet, though never abused.

    A feral cat can no more be domesticated than an adult lion can be domesticated, though if raised from a kitten it can be somewhat be safely interactive with humans and if never allowed to hunt or kill make be relatively safe.

    Feral cats causing more nationwide species harms then the problem of pythons and boas in South Florida, though that is also a huge (and unstoppable) problem. Cats equally are not a natural indigenous animal no different from pythons - and with a much wider range of killing ability than pythons.

    Feral cats also do not tend to have happy lives in nature, particularly susceptible disease and internal pests, meaning short, desperate and tragic lives. They also breed to starvation population level and desperate kill-anything-and-everything population levels, but live long enough to breed and increase population. There is no eco-system natural balancing as they are not indigenous to North America.

    You certainly have your right to hate hunters and be a PETA person. but then at least admit that is your viewpoint than some unqualified cat-lover stance.
     
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    I'd probably adopt this cat that has adopted my house, but it hates me and my wife. It's a feral cat - no sense trying to be friends. I gotta say, tho, it's doin' a good job on the pack rats.

    I live in an urban area in Southern Arizona where the animals are starting to make a comeback. We've had nesting horned owls, red-tailed hawks, coyotes, bobcats, squirrels, javelina . . . stuff we haven't seen since it was desert. Don't need feral cats eatin' up the young ones.
     
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    yeah, but indigenous lizards and other animals in Australia are the ones about to be extinct because of an animal that wasn't supposed to be there.
     
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    Well, at least Australia has found a good use for sociopaths.
     
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    it's weird how to you and I that is disgusting, but to other nations us doing the same to cows would be the same to them
     
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    Yeah I can't think of a reason to see it as morally different than what we do here with meat, unless they're torturing them or something. I have an emotional reaction with dogs because most of the dogs I've known love everybody and are incredibly sweet and affectionate. You really have to train them to want to attack and bite people most of the time. Cats, well, I've known a few nice cats and two that I've been attached to but most are aloof or mean. I've even lived with cats I didn't like, not so for dogs. I've heard cows are as smart as dogs, but they're certainly not as charismatic. And how much I like an animal doesn't really determine whether it's okay to kill it.
     
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    If I ever end up in a place that eats dog like in that video you quoted... I will absolutely try it. I hear it's not great tasting I hear, or it's just not our taste.... bBut I also realize, I'm not eating a pet, I'm eating an animal, like cow
     
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    Not true. Feral means not wild. Jeez, and you call me uneducated.
    Get over your self.
    I have had "feral" cats, and they can become indoor domestics with ease. I suppose you don't have the heart and patience for that sort of thing so heck, lets just kill them.
     
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    Id rather have a cat than a lizard :)
     
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    personally, so would I... even though I hate cats. But since the lizzard was the indigenous animal there, not the cat.... the cat should be removed from the area.

    What this boils down to, which animal is more important?

    kill 2 million cats.... species continues throughout the world
    don't kill 2 million cats..... a native to australia animal goes extinct
     
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    And of course you wouldn't keep them inside and could care less if they're nuisance to anybody else, because of 'people like me'. got it, and thanks for re-enforcing my point about cat owners being the most irresponsible by far.
     
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    I will remember that next time I have to drop a G on a sick animal. Just how "irresponsible" I am.
     
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    Why did you specify the male? It is the females that breed.
     
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    oh God!
     
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    What did you learn??
     
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    That animal intestines make good threads and cords. I never would've guessed.
     
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    Wow! The early stringed instruments all used gut, as well as the harpsichord.
    I've only known one cat that I really liked, and it turned out that I was allergic to him.
     
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    Just in case some are not aware, "they" don't actually use guts or anything else from cats.
     
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    not anymore... but it used to be what they used is what I understood the person you quoted as saying.
     
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    No, it never has been. Catgut is a misnomer. Origins of the word are are not exactly known. Some say the word comes from cattle gut (cat gut was typically made from cattle), some say the name comes from kithara which is an old word for guitar - kit gut = catgut = guitar string , some say that is was called catgut because an old stringed instrument that was called a cat due to it sounding like a cat meowing and the strings made from cattle gut.
     
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    I see what you were saying.... yeah, apparently, catgut (Violin strings) were never made from cat guts.... but other animal intestines, like pig, were.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=wer...7.6583j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
     

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