Background to Ukraine and the Role played by the former occupant of the Oval office

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  1. Derideo_Te

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    The OP and subsequent post will all be from the same Twitter thread that can be found at this link;

    https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1485686628572086273?s=20&t=4BEB-TuxoccFPqTvi0SLZg

    Please note that the information contained in these posts is going to contain historical context as to how Putin was ENABLED to invade Ukraine by the biggest *LOSER*.

    Not everyone is going to like what is revealed but it is better to LEARN from our past mistakes to ensure that we do NOT repeat them in the future.

    Content of first 15 tweets below; Note that images have been omitted from the content.
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    Tomi T Ahonen Stands With Ukraine
    @tomiahonen


    Ukraine Thread 1/
    As Ukraine is trending with topics like WWIII and World War 3 - certainly we all hope that ongoing conflict will not escallate, let's do a Thread on Ukraine. There is probably a lot in this, you did not know, and that gives a new light to this conflict

    Ukraine Thread 2/
    Ukraine is a large European country on Black Sea, a bit bigger than France, with a population about size of Spain. Big agricultural nation, also major industry like Antonov maker of world's largest production airplane, or shipbuilders who make aircraft carriers

    Ukraine Thread 3/
    Ukraine was briefly independent after WW1, then Soviet Union (=Russia) took Ukraine. They gained their independence 30 years ago, in 1991. The fledgling democracy in its infancy had its share of problems, including dictator Yanukovych who tried to end democracy

    Ukraine Thread 4/
    Where do we remember that name from? Yanukovych, Yanukovych.. Viktor Yanukyvch? Wait.. wasn't he one of the many brutal dictator clients of MANAFORT - the most evil American ever to have lived. Yes. Convicted criminal Paulie Ostrich-coat who Trump then pardoned

    Ukraine Thread 5/
    Yanukovych was a Putin stooge who tried to sell the nation of Ukraine to Putin as a slave-state (similar to the crooked deals Putin has with Dictators of failed democracies, Belarus and Kazakhstan). A revolution in 2014 ended that, and Yanukovich fled to Moscow

    Ukraine Thread 6/
    Then Putin annexed Crimea Annex means to steal territory Imagine Canada sending in its army to take Alaska and declare it belongs to Canada. If you're an American, you would be livid. Imagine if this happened just 7 years ago You'd still want Alaska back now

    Ukraine Thread 7/
    Czar Vladimir the Smug sent in his Spetsnaz units (elite troops like US Army Rangers, SEALs, British SAS) into Crimea dressed as civilians, and some wearing random military-style outfits without identifying unit insignia. And took Crimea in a daytime heist

    Ukraine Thread 8/
    Like your standard bank robbery heist Hollywood movie, but done to a territory the size of Massachussetts. Civilians walk in, suddenly they have guns, say, everybody freeze! This is a heist But instead of the money in the bank, they take THE WHOLE COUNTRY
    Ukraine Thread 9/

    The world was horrified. That was an INVASION. And Putin kept saying, no no no! They are not my soldiers! They are just freedom-loving Crimeans who want independence. I have nothing to do with them (later Putin admitted and laughed, yes they were his soldiers)

    Ukraine Thread 10/
    This was seven years ago. Vladimir Putin stole land, the size of Massachussetts, from Ukraine. He then flew up the Russian flag there, and claims it now belongs to Russia. This is not right. The Ukrainians, and most of the world are against it, & want him out

    Ukraine Thread 12/
    Putin was not done with Ukraine. He wants more. If you did not know, a shooting war has been simmering for seven years in the Donbass region of Ukraine (Eastern Ukraine, the Russian border). These are the Russian-backed rebels who shot down KLM flight MH 17

    Ukraine Thread 13/
    What did the West do? Ukraine is not part of NATO. There is no obligation by NATO or USA to go fight a war there, to take back Crimea. But Obama slapped the biggest sanctions in world history, against Russia. Bigger than Reagan when Soviets invaded Afghanistan

    Ukraine Thread 14/
    Those sanctions had real bite, because they ALSO targeted Russian oligarchs (criminal mafia-style feudal lords, mostly Billionaires, who each control some economic part of Russia, and obey Putin) These sanctions were SEVERE pain to Putin's gang

    Ukraine Thread 15/
    Sanctions were working, but there were faults in the sanctions regime. At least one bastard sleazebag scumbag American serial con-artist was laundering Putin's money. He was engaged in 'sanctions-busting'. You might have heard of this traitor: Donald Trump

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    https://twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1485686628572086273?s=20&t=4BEB-TuxoccFPqTvi0SLZg

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    Tomi T Ahonen Stands With Ukraine
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    Ukraine Thread 16/
    Yes. BEFORE Trump ran for President, he was laundering Putin's money, against US sanctions. He was aiding an ENEMY of the United States. It is a TREASONOUS crime Sanctions busting is federal crime with Life without parole. Weisselberg was Trump's point man

    Ukraine Thread 17/
    In 2015, when all of American foreign policy opinion, from left and right, Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, military and civil, all agreed SANCTIONS ARE NECESSARY - one MAD voice was asking to REMOVE sanctions against Putin It was Trump

    Ukraine Thread 18/
    In 2016 when Trump campaign was bankrupt, Trump brought in a new Campaign Chairman, Paul Manafort. He 'worked for free'. Nobody works for free. Paulie the Creep was paid by Putin. Manafort brought Putin millions to Trump & the GOP, laundered through the NRA

    Ukraine Thread 19/
    The Republican Party platform in 2016 included a plank demanding Vladimir Putin gets out of Crimea. What happened? Manafort happened. That demand was REMOVED. And the love affair between Putin and the GOP started to develop. Thank you Manafort

    Ukraine Thread 20/
    When Trump tried to reduce the sanctions on Russia in 2017, a Republican-held Congress voted to CODIFY the Obama-era sanctions eliminating the ability for Trump to unilaterally cut the sanctions he had been threatening to do. That is how out of synch Trump was

    Ukraine Thread 21/
    We saw the horror of the Helsinki Hostage Summit, where Trump declared he trusts mass-murdering dictator, former KGB colonel Vladimir Putin more than the info he gets from the very US government he himself ran, and their Republican heads he himself appointed.

    Ukraine Thread 22/
    In 2019 Trump sent his A Team to Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Trump's 2020 rival Joe Biden. This dream tream of Lev Parnas (convicted criminal) & Igor Fruman (convicted criminal), was led by notorious serial butt-dialer Rudy Giuliani (office raided by FBI)

    Ukraine Thread 23/
    As Trump is a fake Billionaire (he is in reality a Debtonaire) he had no funds to pay for Rudy's Ukrainian Adventure, so Putin paid for it, via his Ukrainian oligarch Firtash (in house arrest in Austria). Putin wanted Rudy to remove US Ambassador to Ukraine

    Ukraine Thread 24/
    As we learned in Impeachment 1 hearings, Giuliani did just that. Got US Ambassador Marie Yovanovich fired. Rudy confessed to it on CNN. This is a treasonous act, so severe, Giuliani may face death penalty for this rogue foreign policy he ran on behalf of Putin

    Ukraine Thread 25/
    Trump was afraid his Putin connection would be exposed by Mueller's investigation. So he tried to terminate the Mueller investigation, then hired corrupt Attorney Bill Barr to stiffle Mueller. Mueller DID get criminal investigations started, for example in NY

    Ukraine Thread 26/
    Trump was afraid his money laundering for Putin would be exposed, via the Deutsche Bank records, so he sued all the way to Supreme Court to block that information being handed to investigators. He lost the case unanimously. Now the prosecutors know

    Ukraine Thread 27/
    The banker handling Trump's money-laundered loans at Deutsche Bank was SCOTUS Justice Kennedy's son. Trump forced Kennedy to resign Then Trump sold that seat to Kavanaugh, for a bribe probably worth $10 million (some rich Republican now owns a SCOTUS judge)

    Ukraine Thread 28/
    Meanwhile Stable Genius Boy decided to extort Ukraine in a 'perfect phone call'. That finally got some inside his White House to blow the whisles, which led to Impeachment 1. Even though Senate did not convict, many Republicans agreed it was a criminal act

    Ukraine Thread 29/
    The FBI wanted to raid Rudy Giuliani for his rogue foreign policy and crimes against the USA. A corrupt Bill Barr intervened and blocked that raid, and told Trump. So the raid of Giuliani only happened now last year, under Garland in April 2021.

    Ukraine Thread 30/
    The Donald Trump corruption related to Ukraine runs very deep for years. Why is it? Why Trump thinks Putin should get to keep Crimea? Almost like Trump and Ivanka had tried to put up a Trump Tower into the Yalta, a city in Crimea. With this creep, Felix Sater

    Ukraine Thread 31/
    In 2014 there was NO DIVISION whatsoever in American foreign policy, left or right, that Vladimir Putin is a criminal thug, for stealing territory from his neighbor. Today Tucker Carlson is on Fox, siding with the Russian propaganda & Putin Astonishing

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    Biden is going to lose a large source of income.
     
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    “In 2016 when Trump campaign was bankrupt, Trump brought in a new Campaign Chairman, Paul Manafort. He 'worked for free'. Nobody works for free. Paulie the Creep was paid by Putin. Manafort brought Putin millions to Trump & the GOP, laundered through the NRA”

    Source for this bs please.
     
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    “When Trump tried to reduce the sanctions on Russia in 2017, a Republican-held Congress voted to CODIFY the Obama-era sanctions eliminating the ability for Trump to unilaterally cut the sanctions he had been threatening to do.That is how out of synch Trump was”

    Source this bullshit about trump wanting to unilaterally cut the sanctions as well please.
     
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    “The banker handling Trump's money-laundered loans at Deutsche Bank was SCOTUS Justice Kennedy's son. Trump forced Kennedy to resign Then Trump sold that seat to Kavanaugh, for a bribe probably worth $10 million (some rich Republican now owns a SCOTUS judge)”

    Source that bs please.
     
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    The FBI wanted to raid Rudy Giuliani for his rogue foreign policy and crimes against the USA. A corrupt Bill Barr intervened and blocked that raid, and told Trump. So the raid of Giuliani only happened now last year, under Garland in April 2021.”

    Source this ridiculous bs as well please.
     
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    And please source this absurd bullshit as well please:

    “The Donald Trump corruption related to Ukraine runs very deep for years. Why is it? Why Trump thinks Putin should get to keep Crimea? Almost like Trump and Ivanka had tried to put up a Trump Tower into the Yalta, a city in Crimea. “

    when did trump EVER say he was fine with Russia taking Crimea? He threatened Russia to hit Moscow if Russia went back into the Ukraine.
     
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    So in short my thoughts are that your entire post is fanciful ridiculous bullshit that you can’t provide sources for.
     
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    The politically elite in America are gonna lose a huge source of income coming from the current Ukranian government.

    Hum, for example, why don't we ask Hillary is this is true??

    Then there's all the politically elite morons who think Putin is the main bogey man in the world.:roll: The politically elite morons who think WWIII would be justified just to keep a piddling government on the border with Russia whose government hates Russia because the politically elite hate Putin...Maybe the politically elite hate Putin because Putin dares to interfere with the politically elites' cash cow known as the current government of Ukraine??
     
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    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...onnection-heres-what-you-need-to-know-205458/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-probes-trump-campaign-nra-ties-2019-1?IR=T

    Manafort was ultimately convicted of banking fraud and given a prison sentence that the biggest *LOSER* then pardoned.
     
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/17/house-rebukes-trump-russia-sanctions-1108939

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/28/16055630/congress-trump-russia-sanctions-veto

     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/nyregion/giuliani-trump-subpoena.html
     
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    Not because of what YOU are talking about he didn’t.
     
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    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-russia-vladimir-putin-crimea-nato/

     
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    Except that I have provided sources for ALL of the items you have asked for which effectively NULLIFIES your position.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    NOTHING in EITHER of those articles shows trump saying he was going to remove any sanctions. NOTHING. If there is. Quote it.

    The article is referring to what the house THOUGHT he might do and their actions to prevent that. There is NOTHING there to say trump wanted to remove the sanctions. If there is. Quote it.
     
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    Is the Big Guy still getting his 10%?
     
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