Background to Ukraine and the Role played by the former occupant of the Oval office

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/did-russian-government-illegally-funnel-money-nra-help-stone/

     
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    You realize the mueller report asserts nothing about the NRA funneling money to trump from Russia right? You’re quoting a report about the mueller report that doesn’t show up in the mueller report.[/QUOTE]

    The REDACTED Mueller does not contain any references to the NRA however we DO KNOW that he did investigate the NRA and that a Russian operative was subsequently convicted of money laundering via the NRA at the time of the 2016 election.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Butina

     
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    Awwww that’s a damn shame you didn’t read the ACTUAL report put out in 2019:

    https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-09-27 NRA & Russia - Majority Report.pdf

    But here let me help you:


    CONCLUSION
    The U.S. and Russia relationship was vastly different in 2015 than it is today. In hindsight, the misplaced optimism that the Obama administration had toward Russia was obviously ill- conceived given what we know today. The Minority report seeks to apply today’s standard, and what we know now about Russia, to the actions of various board members of the NRA. In that vein, the report is littered with salacious, unsubstantiated accusations, and reads as if there were an elaborate conspiracy theory by members of the NRA to aid in the attempted Russian- infiltration of conservative organizations and the Republican Party. Unfortunately, just as the Obama administration cannot go back to correct its approach with Russia, the Minority cannot apply today’s standards with the conduct of NRA board members in 2015. But that’s what it does.
    The Minority report finds no facts that give rise to the possibility that personnel associated with the NRA engaged in any activities that call into question its tax-exempt status. The Minority report takes hold of the common practice of business travelers, giving multiple purposes to their business trips, so that ordinary behavior is painted with some supposedly nefarious purpose. To the extent NRA funds were used improperly in any facts discussed in the Minority report, it appears to have been minor, hardly a rounding error for an organization with hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year and nothing that cannot be corrected with minor intermediate sanctions. The Minority report discusses sanctioned individuals and companies in Russia with the hopes of connecting them to NRA personnel so as to “raise concerns,” but even the Minority must admit that just meeting with individuals on an OFAC list does not, unto itself, violate U.S. law. It is fair to analyze the wisdom of traveling to Russia in December 2015 to meet with high-ranking Russian officials, but it is nowhere close to reasonable to question the tax-exempt status of the NRA because of it.
    In the end, the Minority report contains much conclusory innuendo about an organization, the NRA, and repeatedly attempts to paint a picture that does not exist. The Minority report uses terms like “raises concerns” in an attempt to embarrass the NRA while absolving the Minority from having to assert any serious factual or legal analysis. The Minority report exaggerates several details while omitting or downplaying mitigating facts. The Minority report states, on several occasions, that it was unable to establish many assertions that it purports to make. In the Minority report, statements like these are often inserted at the end of a section, left without any analysis or elaboration. Glossing over such facts just because they are damning to a narrative does not mean they do not exist. Despite this, the Minority report seeks to use this report as justification for a compulsory audit of the NRA in order to conduct yet another fishing expedition for wrongdoing. Therefore, the Majority finds that the facts do not support the Minority’s narrative or conclusions.
     
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    The banking fraud conviction was over something Manfort did before he became manager of the Trump campaign.:roflol:

    BTW, for your information, Roger Stone was never a member of the Trump campaign.
     
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    So if he investigated it and the report includes NOTHING about it... what does that tell us?
     
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    Hunter Biden admits Burisma hired him because of family name
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-9439907

    Apr 6, 2021 — 'The Biden name was gold to them': President's son Hunter admits he got a $50-000-a-month job on the board of Ukrainian gas company Burisma ...

    What Hunter Biden did on the board of Ukrainian ... - Reuters
    https://www.reuters.com › us-hunter-biden-ukraine › w...

    Oct 18, 2019 — Biden's role at Burisma Holdings Ltd has come under intense scrutiny following unsupported accusations by U.S. President Donald Trump that ...
     
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    That Mueller did his job and handed off CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS to the relevant agencies to PROSECUTE which is EXACTLY what he was supposed to do.

    Sad that you do NOT understand what his actual responsibilities were in that context.
     
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    So, you didn’t read the OP at all?
    I mean it is not exactly news that Manafort was a paid patsy of Putin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort
     
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    The OP asked for comments. I provided a comment.
     
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    Do you think Joe/Hunter Biden's ties to Ukraine should be thoroughly investigated?
     
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    Just kind of pissed on your whole story with the last line, turning it all into a Trump-hate diatribe.
    You may not have written it, but you did selectively chose it......

    It appears that everything preceding it was just groundwork, in preparation for the venting of personal hostility you really need to express. See that all the time in small, undisciplined children.
    Putin appreciates it.
     
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    One would think if there were some concerns with the Biden family and Ukraine, those responsible and who's job it is to look into such behaviors and dealings would be looking into it.

    Here is a letter from former U.S. embassy official George Kent, one of the Democrats' star witnesses in their first effort to impeach former President Donald Trump.
    It was classified "confidential," the lowest level of secrecy, by then-U.S. Ambassador to Kiev Marie Yovanovitch, another of the Democrats' impeachment witnesses, and was not produced as evidence to House lawmakers during impeachment.
    It was withheld from public for five years, memo conflicts with Democrats' official narrative that president's son had no impact on U.S. anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

    The top U.S. State Department official in Kiev wrote to Washington superiors (Jorgan K. Andrews is Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs). at the end of the Obama-Biden administration that Hunter Biden's business dealings in Ukraine "undercut" U.S. efforts to fight corruption in the former Soviet republic.

    Blue Star is a lobbying firm..
    Emails show Hunter Biden ties to head of lobby firm in DOJ probe
    https://nypost.com/2021/06/21/emails-show-hunter-biden-ties-to-head-of-lobby-firm-in-doj-probe/

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-02/KentBurismaEmailNov222016.pdf
    https://justthenews.com/accountabil...-state-department-email-declared-hunter-biden

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    The Ukrainian Poroshenko regime was both CORRUPT and PRO-Putin which is why it was replaced by the Servant-of-the-People party of Zelenskyy by a huge majority.

    What part, if any, Hunter Biden played in that corruption is unknown.

    Hunter Biden was in full compliance with US law as far as registering and providing documentation on how much he was paid for his services.

    To date the extreme right has provided nothing more than SPECULATION and GUILT-BY-ASSOCIATION allegations without any substance.

    Sad!
     
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    Which ignores the references to the "Big guy" who was getting a cut.
     
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    I don't think so... the question is not ""What part, if any, Hunter Biden played in that corruption is unknown.""
    the real question is ""What part, if any, crime boss Biden played in that corruption""

    Let me know if you want more... I've got plenty of this stuff...

    Leaked phone conversations between Joe Biden and then-Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko have been made public by a Ukrainian lawmaker.
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/20/joe-b...former-ukraine-president-poroshenko-released/

    https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf

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    Phone Calls Between Joe Biden And Ukraine's President Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor.
    The recording begins with Poroshenko emphasizing that he asked prosecutor Shokin to resign in spite of the fact that there was no evidence of wrongdoing on Shokin's part.
     
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    Speculation? About Hunter Biden being on the board of Burisma, drawing a fat salary, and openly admitting he had no experience of knowledge about the business they were in?

    What are the "services" of a drug-addicted playboy that knows nothing worth to such a business? Zero. Now, what are the "services" of that same playboy worth when he is the son of the US president or vice president and has no hesitation in marketing that connection?

    We know he does that, and we know it's happened in China as well. Speculate on that.
     

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