Bad science

What's driving me crazy is all the conflicting information and just bad science that is being bandied about from the "official" sources regarding the Covid-19 epidemic.

First off, not a damned thing is being proposed regarding prevention or treatment for those testing positive for the virus. Essentially, if you test positive but show no symptoms, you're told to go home and stay there for 2 weeks. If you get worse, then you go to the hospital where you disappear until you're either over it or dead. All I've heard so far is a brief mention of a pharmaceutical that may be an effective treatment (not cure or preventative), but no word as to whether this will be distributed to the masses like the up coming Pfizer vaccine and such. You here NOTHING about any foreign country's approach to this (save for China using vitamin C a few months ago). This is why I posted the following because a mask, isolation and waiting doesn't cut it; Can Natural Botanical Herbs and Supplements Impact Coronavirus? - Progressive Radio Network (prn.fm) And quite frankly, Pfizer and other large pharmaceutical companies won't make the monster profits if these smaller "alternative" companies offer workable products that the general public can afford.

Secondly, this has to be the most magical of all viruses. You can be positive but show no symptoms and be a carrier...weird that, as supposedly the only way this virus is transmitted is through cough or sneezing. Strange that, because carriers of every other highly infectious disease on earth usually have some symptoms the promotes the carrier status....sweating, coughing, sneezing, runny nose, mild fever. Covid-19 doesn't need that...just be in closed space with a breathing infected person for an undisclosed period of time and bam! You got it! If that's the case, then you would be seeing TWICE the number of cases and frequency of "spikes" in densely populated cities! Remember, this thing was in the country at least 2 months before any real action/monitoring was taken.

Apropos to that, I just watched a news cast which stated that even if you get the vaccine, you can still be a carrier! WTF? That kind of flies in the face of the point of vaccines....the virus can't infect the vaccinated, and therefore can't spread to the non-vaccinated population (i.e., measles, polio, mumps, etc.)

Then you have what I call the "tally" game. Did you know that we now have "covid related" cases in hospitals that result in death? So if you have a serious pre-condition that landed and died from that, but tested positive for Covid, the doctor has the "option" to log that death as Covid cause. This can contribute to all these "record" numbers of deaths we hear....which do not specify if these cases happened recently or were long term cases.

And let's get real; the very same people who pushed Tamiflu as the be all end all, and then said "whoops" when they pushed it on the public for a flu strain THAT IT COULD NOT HANDLE, are now telling you that a rushed product is reasonably safe. They also had to be FORCED to remove mercury from some standard vaccines. Remember that when someone you know voices doubt as to taking the shot.

Now I am NOT denying that Covid-19 exists or that people have died from it. I'm merely pointing out that the bad science in some respects is hindering a better approach to cure and prevention for the general public.

 

It's a fantasy that WHO weaves. It is corrupt science, bought and sold.

Plandemic, Scamdemic, the people have been fooled and many still don't understand that, likely will never understand it, don't want to understand it. C'est la vie

 

This probably fits perfectly,

 

Of course, nobody ever said anything like that, in particular not the scientists. This is just a poor meme generated by the science deniers.

What the science deniers did say, however:

-It's going to go to basically zero in a week.
-We turned the corner.
-It's a Dem hoax that will disappear after the election.
-HCQ is a cure.
-Let's try to inject disinfectants.
-It's just like the flu.

And the list goes on.

 

But what in the OP can you logically or factually deny? That is my point.

 

Oh the virus is real enough, I'm just pointing out the bad science and response derived there of that has made it far worse than it should be.

 

Yep, even people who are for the most part diametrically opposed on many view points see the major flaws in the current response mantras.

 

And all the dead people were actors, along with everyone in the hospitals right? All the hospital employees are partying daily, with champagne and caviar paid for by your taxes.

All the hospitals are "in" on the hoax. Indeed most of the world is spending literal trillions for no other reason than to make Trump look bad.

And all science that goes against that is "bad" science.

People believing this are literally beyond any sort of rational belief. The best they can ever hope to be is pathetic but they're so ****** dangerous that most people won't, and damned sight better not, give them even that.

 

All of it. Nothing is really effective at preventing it. It's all more or less.

Or people wouldn't get the disease.

But we still do, by the thousands, no matter what we try we're never really safe.

And the fact of the matter is THERE IS NO TREATMENT, if you get the overt symptoms you either weather it or die. Like all diseases, it affects different people differently. Why is there such a problem with accepting that as a fact?

 

If it can't be patented no researcher or drug companies has any interest whatsoever.

 

Bullshit too. Most of these vaccines are being given away for free, or at a very extreme discount to what they could have. Medicines make a LOT of money, no question but the majority go out of their way to be affordable. That's nothing but good business.

Contrary to what seems the popular misconception a successful patent of any kind is not always a license to print money. Coca Cola has never been patented and probably would not be worth a fraction of what they are now if they ever had depended on one to make money.

 

It is very good political science and business science.
COVID-19 measures have nothing to do with real science.
E.g. politicians force people to wear mask on the street, which is sure way to increase numbers of infected.

 

Okay, let's just start with one of your points, namely that nothing has been proposed to prevent of treat covid 19:

1) Prevention:
-Mask wearing
-Social distancing
-Hand washing
-Prevent touching your face
-Avoid crowded spaces

2) Treatments:
-Steroids, for example dexamethasone, have shown to be effective in attenuating the cytokine storm
-Remdesivir (Trump took it)
-Therapeutic antibodies (Trump took them)

On the other hand, HCQ, which was peddled by the science deniers, was shown not to work.

So, your whole paragraph of science not offering any preventions and treatments is flat out wrong.

 

Brother, what a bucket of nonsense that was.

Do you get all of your information from your grandmother's facebook page?

 

yep,

 

You first paragraph isn't dealing with what I stated. I acknowledged the reality of the virus and subsequent deaths...please read carefully and comprehensively before you respond. If you had, you would have noted;

- nowhere did I state, allude to, or insinuate that this is a "hoax". I leave that to idiots like Trump.

Let me simplify it for you; how the established medical system in conjunction with the current administration (i.e., Trump, Fauci) have screwed this up royal...and cost a lot more unnecessary deaths than usual. What you have done is a knee jerk reaction of fear and prejudgment. If you don't understand the OP, have someone explain it to you.

 

Your reading comprehension is deplorable. And the sheer arrogant stupidity of your first two sentences is amazing....you bluff with a general retort of no substance because evidently you don't understand (or don't want to) what my point is. Had you actual thoroughly read the OP and the links there in, you would have noted that the federal gov't already has implemented experimental treatments to PREVENT the infected from going critical. The link I provided offers time tested, peer reviewed (by AMA medical doctors, researchers) treatments that have been used against colds, flus and viruses for decades. That you are ignorant of such is no excuse for your declarations.

Stop and think: what the hell do you think vaccines are for? Are you saying there has NEVER been treatments that have worked for various ailments throughout history. Seriously? Because I won't waste time trying to educate proudly ignorant and insipidly stubborn people.

 

Could you post a more absurd message than claiming Pfizer is giving away hundreds of millions of vaccinations for free?

You work for one of the humanitarian drug companies that give away drugs for free and are always on the verge of bankruptcy having no income, right? What drug company is that other than your claim Pfizer is giving away hundreds of millions of vaccinations for which neither the government nor any person pays Pfizer a penny - or that's what you claim.

 

^ Another absurd message.

Please link to your ranting about the government spending $1 on ventilators since you claim they have absolutely no value whatsoever - and to your message ranting about hospitals accepting covid-19 patients since there is absolute nothing the hospital can do and every hospital bill is nothing but 100% theft and fraud.

 

There is no reason for anyone who already had covid-19 to get a vaccine. If having the virus does not create immunity, no vaccine possibly could do so.

 

Please link to the definition of palliative care and then to your apology to both me and the entirety of the World's medical personnel