Baltimore Maryland more murders in a week than Canada has all year

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why? because you want to harass gun owners with more red tape? we all know that strict fascist gun laws in places like Baltimore don't do squat for stopping criminals. ANYTHING CIVILIAN POLICE OFFICERS can use in terms of firearms OTHER CIVILIANS should be able to freely acquire with noting more than filling out the 4473 form

    end of story
     
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    Yeah that worked good in DC.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is exactly the problem with most of the black culture/community. They uphold thugs as martyrs. They embrace the worst of their kind as heroes.
     
  6. Ronstar

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    cops need more powerful guns and bigger magazines due to the nature of their job

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    NYC is mostly Liberal Democrats, and yet we still don't let Liberal Democrats own assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.

    so your argument is crap

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    why you keep making this about race?

    is that your fallback argument when you got nothing logical to say? just bring up the "evil black thug criminals"?
     
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    QLB Well-Known Member

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    They also engage in "magical thinking." The hands up don't shoot" slogan and BLM movement was based upon fantasy.
     
  8. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    COMPLETE CRAP. cops don't confront different criminals than other civilians do. and cops have backup and choose the time and place. other civilians do not. We will note for the record that you RONSTAR-want civilians who are not cops to BE HANDICAPPED when attacked by violent criminals


    Your argument is crap-liberal democrats are the ones pushing for gun bans. that is undeniable

    blacks have far lower rates of LEGAL gun ownership than whites. Yet Whites have much lower rates of gun crime. what does that prove? THAT THE AVAILABILITY of legal guns is not the cause of crime rates with guns

    DUH
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    says the guy who repeatedly called for deadly violence upon politicians who support more gun laws or/and vote for more gun laws.

     
  10. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    where did I do this on this board Ron

    you are the one who thinks honest citizens should be handicapped when confronted by violent felons. You apparently want violent criminals to win.

    I don't see any links to me saying that on this board Ron. Go ahead and provide the links to this board

    You cannot.
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    posts of this nature have a way of following people.

    we must all take responsibility for our statements, my friend.
     
  12. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    go ahead and prove I said that on this board
     
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    Must be a democratic controlled State ! Gun control is working great in Detroit , Chicago , New Orleans and St Louis .
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you said it on another board.

    but you did say it, its permanently recorded.
     
  15. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    that is not relevant here Ron, not any more than your constant claims you wanted to have sex or rape peoples' dead mothers

    lets stick to this board Ron before I tell everyone here why you got banned over there

    now back to the topic Ron. Baltimore's problem is that it coddles criminals while pretending that disarming honest people will stop crime
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said such things on any board.
     
  17. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure thing Ron sure thing

    other members of both boards can confirm that because people who are not members of that Board cannot read those posts. But we all saw them

    why cannot you confine your discussion to this board and your false claims about being an FBI agent and other stuff you have said knowing them to be untrue?
     
  18. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you saw no such thing as I didn't say them.

    but you DID call for the murder of politicians who support and vote for new gun laws

     
  19. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    why should anyone believe you are telling the truth after seeing your claim of holding an office we all know doesn't exist and your claim to own weapons you never could own?
     
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    Tell me how thats done with more guns then there are people in this country. I bet right now we are getting to a point that most guns used by criminals were bought legally , I don't mean they went and bought the gun, many stoled it from gun owners that owned them legally 15%,Guns can be sold and given as gifts, many are used in crimes but of course not added to guns used in crimes by guns purchased by owner. straw purchase guns, legal till they hand it over to the guy that really bought it, best statistic I found was 22%. Probably the biggest percentage wise is from legal vender's (FFL's) selling under the table , the little town I live in has 50 dealers. This from the ATF of the 120,000 guns retreived from criminals 28% were bought from FFL's. Since 1994 23,775 guns have been reported as stolen, Got to wonder don't you?. Again thats a FFl's number. Only 8% of the FFL's are the source of about all illegal purchases from FFL's. Criminals using guns were in a study, they were simply asked how they got their latest gun, heres the break down 56% said they paid cash; 15% said it was a gift; 10% said they borrowed it; 8% said they traded for it; while 5% only said that they stole it.
    "The vast majority (80%)of guns used in 15 recent mass shootings, including at least two of the guns used in the San Bernardino attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check. At least eight gunmen had criminal histories or documented mental health problems that did not prevent them from obtaining their weapons."
    Plus the many thousands of people robbed or murdered by a person that bought the gun themselves legally.
    Unless you Gun jocks can prove my points and numbers wrong. it simple, less guns , there will be less people killed with guns. The fact that a criminal did it , has nothing to do with it, if more then half of these guns were bought the way I described above Legal in most cases or from FFL's under the table.
     
  21. Seth Bullock

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    It means your title is way off. Canada had 543 homicides in 2012. Last November, Baltimore reached 300 homicides for the year.
     
  22. Seth Bullock

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    Canada's murder rate is 1.56 per 100,000

    Baltimore has a murder rate of 52.5. And yet, Portland, OR, a similar sized U.S. city, has a murder rate of 2.3

    And, 9 U.S. states have a murder rate of 2.0 or below.

    One can always pick one's statistics if they wish to make a point. This huge disparity tells us that the problem is not the availability of guns, for they are just as available in Portland as they are in Baltimore. To answer the question of "why", we need to look elsewhere.
     
  23. Seth Bullock

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    As to the "why" of it, start with economics, joblessness, and poverty.
     
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    I assume that you start with these only a little bit before you move up to drug trafficking, and the rest of the wonderful things that are done by those who engage in that sort of "business".
     
  25. Seth Bullock

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    You assume correctly, sir. Drugs, national economic policy, crime sentencing - all topics that are very important and that matter. What I think I can prove - what I did prove by simply researching a few statistics - is that our problem isn't the 2nd Amendment.
     

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