Bernie Sanders Applied for 'Conscientious Objector' Status During Vietnam, Campaign C

. . . that was never my theory. Are you sure you have the right person?

I'm starting to think you have me confused with another poster.

Look, Bernie was a CO (and it was more than just about Vietnam, unless you think he was lying about his convictions). I can see where that bugs some people, but as I have said already, it doesn't bug me. Whatever I may think about Sanders's other political positions, there's no question in my mind that I'd rather have him in command of our armed forces than any other candidate. Sanders, at least now, is obviously fine with defensive military action, and I never said that he wasn't. Not sure where you are getting that from.

 

Being a coward never stopped any Democrat from running for office.

 

In 1950 South Korea which just got out of being JApans's colony was in no position to defend themselves against the North and then the Chi.Coms.

 

Airborne ....... just to keep the Army slugs happy !!!

 

At least Bush served even if as a FANG in the TANG. At least he served and that is more than Clinton did or Cheney, or the monstrous pack of chicken hawks.

 

I do believe that Sanders has a pretty good record on Veterans issues I will grant you that. Cruz, Rubio, and Bush will not do squat for Veterans. Most chicken hawks never do they just talk the talk but never walk the walk. Dear Leader Trump just has diarrhea of the mouth when it come to veterans. he made a big deal about raising money "for the Vets" the other week but giving even a few million to the Wounded Warriors is about as good as pissing it away. WW is a blow hard useless organization that does great on getting donations but very little for Veterans. I am in the process of asking my two Senators to see in there is some way that WW can be investigated for possible fraud or something.

 

OMFG Hitler was very liberal, ye, in killing Jews and others. OMFG - it would be nice if you knew what the hell you were talking about before you attempted to post.

 

The military service draft is no long long in place so what are you wanting BS to abolish, the NFL draft. ???

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So LBJ was a flaming Librul ?!!!1 ha ha

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So LBJ was a flaming Librul ?!!!1 ha ha

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So LBJ was a flaming Librul ?!!!1 ha ha

 

Being a CO doers not make one smart nor dumb.

 

I just found out about the honeymoon back in the USSR. What an A.Hole he and his bride must have been.

 

How could he fight against his Commie heroes, Ho Chi Mihn and Chairman Mao?

That wouldn't make sense.

 

Hitler was a liberal until he gained political power then that totalitarian that was inside him got out.

Now Joseph Stalin in an interview during the 1930's did say that Hitler and the Nationalist Socialist Party were socialist but Stalin claimed that communism was the superior form of socialism.

As for Sanders, he admits that he's a socialist and Sanders did have ties to the old Soviet Union.

 

Voters enforce it in America because that's what America believes in. If people, particularly people in the military, didn't believe in the validity of democracy, they wouldn't care what the majority said, and if there were no widespread beliefs about how power should be used and tamed, then power will go to whoever has the best organization, leadership, and weapons... where numbers of people help but is only one factor to multiply with others.

If, on the other hand, people in general and those with power believed in limited government but with decisions being made by smart people, then a meritocratic/technocratic republic could exist. I suspect if science continues to bring us great things, and voters continue to make poor decisions, this will eventually happen.

You'll have to elaborate on the Marxist approach, because I highly doubt it but I wouldn't claim to have detailed knowledge of how they operate either - just their general approach of public ownership and centralized control. Are you saying that they chose leaders from experts in fields relevant to policy, primarily scientists (this is technocracy), and that they were chosen by a test of their knowledge and reasoning (meritocracy)? I always suspected it was more of a cronyism system, like how cabinet members are chosen in America. And that the powers of this government were limited by a constitution that guarantees the same things as our constitution (albeit an updated version, probably with more protections)?

 

Sanders' socialist background is well documented. It might also explain why he refused to fight against his ideological co-travelers in North Vietnam and the Viet Cong.

Consider who was behind the vanguard of the "anti-war" movement during the last decade:

Having demonstrated against these organizations and Code Pink, which is headed by Castroite Medea Benjamin, I can tell you that Hitchens was right. Even the local "anti-war" group from my area, the Virginia Anti-War Network (VAWN) was run by Phil Wilayto and other members of the Workers World Party. These "anti-war" groups weren't what they presented themselves to be, and it's a disgrace that the MSM never revealed this to the public.

I was at Arlington Cemetery when ANSWER held its own version of the March on the Pentagon in 2007 - here's a photo-essay that a couple of Freepers put together from the event:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1802997/posts

What a bunch of True Patriots. I've never been around so many Commies, Troofers and anti-American idiots in my life, and I'd bet my bungalow that virtually all of them will be voting for Bernie Sanders this year...

 

So basically nothing that can be done or has been done is good enough.

 

Bernie Sanders worked on a Kibbutz in Israel 1963-64 that admired Stalin... and then marched with MLK for civil rights.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/50-yea...till-champions-values-of-his-israeli-kibbutz/

 

Yup. I don't think many Americans are aware that Sanders was a Kibbutznik:

 

Marx, Engels and Lenin felt that they had special insights into economics and the progressive evolution of government. Hence they viewed revolutionary communist intellectuals as ideal leaders, but only to transition to true workers' rule. Lenin felt that the average worker with the benefit of double entry accounting could manage an industry or even a nation. Ultimately they felt that the state would whither away as the abundance created by the crushing of the massive capitalist bureaucratic state with its corruption and waste promoted rapid increased production.

Nonsense of course, the corrupt bureaucratic leviathan thrived even better under socialism than under capitalism, and "the armed united working class" could not manage anything let alone dominate the elite intellectuals who engineered the revolution.

Regarding rule by scientists and techies - ruthless politicians are far smarter - they would not have a chance.

 

I think you might chalk it up to youth..

 

That certainly wouldn't be unusual. My politics were much further to the Left when I was young...

 

Which of this crowd has volunteered to serve in the Armed Forces?

None.

Which are Vietnam era and ended up not serving?

Trump and Sanders.

I don't hold their decisions to avoid fighting in the war in Vietnam against either of them.

 

I have to admit, you make a good point.

 

He stated he opposed all war and would not pick up arms to defend the country when he applied for CO status.

A CO is an provable moral objection to ANY WAR, not a political objection to a particular war. The others were status deferments and the student one went away while I was still eligible.

He applied for that status so he could REFUSE to fight, so where does he get the moral standing to send others to their deaths when he would refuse himself?

 

Many times. You know those weak attempts at simple dismissals do not work very well.

It's an issue for the country and one he should address directly and with at some explanation
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And unless you could prove it you didn't get it. LOTS of people tried to get it and few did.

Strawman, not many people WANT to kill another human being. But when you are called to do so for you country and you refuse then you have no moral standing to order others to their deaths doing so.

So what?

Well he needs to IN DETAIL explain what change his moral compass so drastically that he could order soldiers to their death when he once would have refused to fight himself.

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If Sanders faked his CO claim then even more reason he should not be CnC and order people to their deaths defending the country and yes the free world from our adversaries.

 

So if you did not serve at all then you should not be CnC?

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What has he done for Veterans? Is there a bill he authored and got passed that did something for them?

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Oh you didn't know that, yes they went there and he was refusing to fight to defend our country and now some believe he has the moral authority and will have the wherewithall to send others into battle, to their deaths to defend the country.