Bible verses that Christians ignore

No, I said that Neutral's reraction was in accordance with Paul. Paul despised those who sought to bring Christians under law. Any law.

And as usual, you misrepresent and twist what I said, as you have nothing to offer in your empty claim of 'fruits of the spirit'.

Quantrill

 

My point was related to the OP. This is a verse that is regularly ignored by Christians.
I will leave it to the readers to evaluate whether the responses to that claim support my theory or undermine it.
I make no claim of Fruits of the Spirit.
Scripture does.

 

Yes, I have read it. Do read it. Study it.

Yes, homosexuality is a sin. An abomination before God. That doesn't change, will never change.

As a Christian, I am not under the Mosaic Law, to be responsible to walk under. That doesn't mean homosexuality is not a sin and an abomination before God.

Quantrill

 

Not sure how this is a response to my post.

 

My point was related to your point. As I said, Neutral's reaction was in accordance with Paul.

Scripture does not make a law of the 'fruits of the Spirit'. You are trying to, to make believers guilty of not being 'good' Christians. You who are not a Christian.

Leave it to whomever you like. You like to bring up the point, so discuss it.

Lets discuss my fruits of the Spirit. How do you like them?

Quantrill

 

Well, this is pretty lengthy, but an interesting read about the Levites.

http://www.answers.com/topic/levite

 

Not my desire to make it a personal attack on you. Why would you care what I thought of your evidence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
You are right that it is not a law. According to Paul, it is what identifies one as having an authentic relationship with the Holy Spirit.
What I personally believe does not change what scripture says and what is expected to be revealed in a Spirit lead believer.
Observers of the thread will decide if they are witnessing kind and gentle responses from peaceful and loving Christians.

 

I know who the Levites were.
But Leviticus is not just addressed to them.

 

Correct it is not a law. Correct it is a product of the Spirit.

You are incorrect in attempting to make it a law over the Christians. Which is what you are doing. We don't measure up, so now we are not 'good' Christians.

You are not one to determine the work of the Spirit in a believers life. You who are not a Christian. You want to use this as a way to take away the believers ability to move in the Spirit against those like yourself. Sorry, it won't work.

Paul, who you continually try to hold up as setting a standard in the fruits of the Spirit to walk by, chastised those like yourselve who attempt to put Christians under the law. The Pharisees tried to make Christians be circumcised. Paul said he wished those Pharisees had their whole penis cut off and not just the foreskin.

How do you like Pauls fruit now.

Gal. 5:12 " I would they were even cut off which trouble you."

Quantrill

 

Invented by them.......

 

Even a newly converted person would understand that is furtive and not to be taken literally. The Bible was not written for unbelievers but for God's people by God's people.

 

It is to be taken literally. Just need to understand what garments the believer is to be clothed in.

Quantrill

 

Correct, but not addressed to them exclusively, or even predominantly.
Agreed?

 

Rev 4:1 (John speaking)

1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. (KJV)

 

True... but it can't possibly be Mosaic.. Moses had been dead for nearly a thousand years.

Who's law did Jesus come to fulfill?

 

Great verse. John writing and expericencing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Good literal occurance.

Quantrill

 

Sorry, thats bs. Moses was the author.

Quantrill

 

But Jesus was not saying that a Christian cannot or should not pray in public; just don't be a show-off to impress people to show how righteous you are. Jesus prayed in public and He also prayed in private. Prayer is simply talking to God (that is a relationship…father and His children), it has nothing to do with religion.....Jesus was not about religion nor did He preached any form of religion.

 

Not measuring up is a given.
Being prideful and not trying to is something else.
Again, each reading the responses will decide for themselves.
I don't hold Paul up as an exemplar of the Fruits. It is you who do that. You note his failures and use them to prove that the Fruits can be harsh and aggressive. The Fruits he enumerates say otherwise, so you simply show Paul to be human and imperfect, like us all.
I never use the Fruits to point out someone isn't Christian. I point out that Christians need to embrace the teaching and attempt to follow it, not reject it as irrelevant, which is the point of the OP.

 

No Moses didn't write it.. Moses had been dead for 800 plus years when they were written.

In fact at no point in the Pentateuch is it stipulated that Moses is the author.... certain portions are said to be by Moses, but not the total writing.

There is good evidence that Moses could not have been the author.

In Gen. 14:14, Abram is said to have led a group of men to the city of Dan, but elsewhere it is stated that this city did not come into existence until the time of the Judges (Judg. 18:29), long after Moses' death.

Moses never entered the Promised Land.. How could he write about it ?

 

You know using evidence will mark you as a Muslim or atheist or some such thing, right Margot? LOL!

 

Or an archeologist???

Aid and Gibeon didn't exist in Moses time either...

 

Its not a question of measuring up.

No, Pauls response to the Pharisees was not a failure on his part. It was a just reaction against those who sought to put Christians under a Law. Like you are doing.

There is nothing in Pauls response that indicate he did not have the fruits of the Spirit. You just want to use the fruits of the Spirit to judge Christians. And you can't.

You, who are not Christian, have nothing to offer in pointing out how a Christian should respond. You don't know the Spirit. You simply know a list of the fruits of the Spirit.

Quantrill

 

Sorry, wrong again. Dont you get tierd of being wrong so much?

Luke 24:44 " And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets and in the psalms, concerning me."

So says the resurrected Christ. You do believe that Jesus Christ rose and said this, don't you? 'christian'

Quantrill

 

How could the Levites write the law of Moses in 600 BC?

Those were their laws.. not God's law or Moses' law.