Biden accused of 'shredding the Constitution' 'A stunning act of contempt'

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett reacted on "Fox & Friends" to President Biden's plan to push sweeping student loan bailouts on the campaign trail. Jarrett said Biden's new plans for student debt forgiveness are still unconstitutional and will transfer billions of dollars to taxpayers.

    GREGG JARRETT: They're inventing a different, runaround, the Supreme Court decision. In so doing, Joe Biden is brazenly defying the law, and then he has the audacity, the arrogance to brag about it, admitting recently, yes, the Supreme Court blocked my plan, it's illegal. But then he said, quote, that won't stop me. You know, no amount of lawlessness is beyond Joe Biden by dictate. What he's really doing is shredding the Constitution. He changed his method of loan forgiveness in the latest plan. But the same legal principles that make it unconstitutional, still apply. He's not canceling anything, he's transferring billions of debt from borrowers to taxpayers and under the Constitution, only Congress has the power to do that, as the Supreme Court explained in their decision. So this is a stunning act of contempt. Biden says he doesn't care about the separation of powers, the law or the Constitution. So I sort of ask you here: who's the dictator? Who's the threat to democracy?

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden...w-student-loan-bailouts-stunning-act-contempt



    Joe- is trying to buy votes.... with everybody's money. Not serve the people, not help the nation- bail people out of debts they chose to create voluntarily and make other people suffer for it. When a nation's character slips so low that it will tolerate that- it's in deep trouble.
     
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    Oh! Bless! Faux news!
     
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    I will read on ABC news site or NPR about how there is no constitutional mandate for the exec branch to be able to do this.

    I'm sure they will cover it
     
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    Back when Obamacare was being argued in the Supreme Court, I lived next door to a lawyer, a Harvard lawyer, and we talked about this a lot. When the court basically approved Obamacare, my very liberal lawyer friend, a guy who said he would leave his wife for Pelosi, told me the court knew Obama was going to force obamacare through no matter what because the court has no enforcement powers. So they approved it to preserve the legitimacy of the court. Biden knows the SC can't lock him up for acting like a dictator, so he's going to act like a dictator. So much for democracy.

    @Turtledude regarding what I said about what my neighbor told me, did you hear the same thing?
     
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  5. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would think an American lawyer on Fox has more knowledge of American law than a foreigner. However, you're free to use your expertise on the American constitution and American law to rebut him and prove he's wrong.
     
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    I will have to give that some thought. the only really issue I spent a lot of time thinking about was the tenth amendment issue-and that was the subject of my former classmate at Yale, Professor Steven G Calabresi's Taft Lecture on Const. Law at U of Cincinnati Law school in 2012 or so where he noted that his former boss-Justice Scalia-would find Obama care would violate the tenth amendment and he hoped the entire thing would be stricken. And if Roberts hadn't have opted for being clever and beloved to the legal press, (and agreed with Obama's attorney that Obamacare was NOT a tax), I believe Obamacare would have been struck down.
     
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    Biden ran on this. The people voted him in on such promises.

    Personally I wish he was doing something to prevent it from continuing to occur but we all know that would require congress and half of that branch of government is parading around giving handies in movie theaters and flashing naked photos of the presidents son.

    I don’t see how anyone can quote Fox News — has been hit with lawsuit after lawsuit for fraudulent practice — with a straight face much less expect anyone to take them seriously.

    Even if I try I cannot get upset about this after the free money give away from the last republican president, and while I do appreciate the warehouse I bought with said free money — it was unjust.

    Free money for the rich, rugged capitalism for everyone else
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    where do you think that money comes from

    the rich-what does the top 5 Percent pay in terms of federal taxes vs the others?
     
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    I’m skeptical this Fox News loon is accurately reporting on this. Biden sought to cancel some using some authority. Court said no. But he was able to cancel other student loan debt under a different law.
    My guess is that what this dope is blathering about.
     
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    It is absolutely blatant vote buying.
    There is no way any rational and logical person can observe what's going on and deny that that is the case.

    And he's even telling the supreme Court that they can go pound sand while sucking up canal water.
     
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    My guess is you don't seem to have any citations so I'm going to guess that your guess, is probably not very accurate.

    What's going on here is a matter of public record.
     
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    That warehouse is probably a good place to keep all of the bullcrap posted above.

    You can't just leave bull crap laying out in the field or it will degrade and go back to the Earth. But the warehouse can preserve that load of bull crap for much longer.

    Bull crap actually has lots of good natural uses because it's part of the cycle of everything...

    But it's not good to fertilize the particular bull crap that you are peddling in the post above this one..... They are two distinctly different types of bullcrap, and only one of them is actually useful.

    * Musing aloud..... I should probably write a series of books on the nature of the differences between the distinctly different types and uses of bullcrap.

    I bet I can make a fortune.
     
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    I’m not sure what in my post you are disputing. Clarify and I’ll provide citations
     
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    This new plan hasn’t gone to scotus yet. He’s not defined their rulings yet, no reason to think he will
     
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    As usual the goons at fox are lying to you. Lucky for them it won’t cost them an arm and a leg like it did last time.

    The new plan takes a more targeted approach to loan forgiveness and relies on the authority of the Higher Education Act— a different law than the one the administration cited in its failed 2022 plan — which experts say could give it firmer legal ground.
     
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    Yes yes, the rich have all the money so we should give them tax breaks so they can have all the money so we should give them tax breaks so…

    Every billionaire is a policy failure
     
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    One day you will figure out how to contribute to a thread. I have faith in you.

    Or did you not know they literally handed out money during covid?
     
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    Here's an idea: Allow asylum seekers to stay providing that they pay $10,000 that would go to pay off someone's student loan.

    There's something like 1,000,000 people waiting a trial. That's $10 billion dollars to pay off student debt or get sent home. Win-win.
     
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    Relax. Yes this is vote buying, but he isn't actually "BUYING" anything. He knows this won't stand up to Constitutional scrutiny, just like he knew it wouldn't stand up to Constitutional scrutiny in 2020 and 2022 midterms. By the time the people who think they will benefit cast their votes for him, the Supreme Court won't have had time to strike it down. So essentially we get to buy votes without having to actually go through with the purchase. It is like ordering a 10 Karat diamond ring for your wife on her birthday, having her put out like a $10 hooker, knowing full well the card will be declined by the bank, cancelling the order. "Oh honey I really wanted to get that for you. Here, let me wipe off your chin. You still love me right?" So relax. It won't actually cost us anything, and it will allow us to get the votes from the youth demographic. It worked in 2020 and 2022, and they were instrumental in getting us to the White House. We need them now more than ever if the polls are accurate. We are hurting in the 18 to 30 demographic and the road to our victory looks bleak without the young college kids. I don't see another option. It is actually very smart on our part. This is evident from the timing. Same timing as the last 2 elections. If we had introduced it earlier it would have played out before the election. This way they have to vote before the SC takes back the candy bowl. Republicans just need to chill and take their medicine.
     
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    wow apex class envy at its jealous best. Does someone like Bezos get you riled? How about someone like say Paul McCartney? Oprah? Bill Gates? what sort of policy failed-the government as parasite model? the slake the envy of the unproductive policy? the top 5 percent essentially subsidize the citizenship benefits of the bottom fifty percent
     
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    Did you think America was filled with moochers in the 50s or 60s?
     
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    Don't know I was born at the end of the 50s. LBJ sort of ramped up the dependency addiction though. do you think the existence of a billionaire is a "policy failure"?
     
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    I understand the sentiment.
    The reason I ask about the 50 and 60s is even before social programs, more of the wealth was distributed to more of the people because the tax code incentivized it.
     
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    So Gregg Jarrett of Faux News has an OPINION?
    And, that Opinion is against Biden?
    From Jarrett?
    A guy who has made a living carrying Trump's water?
    Color me shocked...:bored:
    Anyway, as to the OP, I disagree with Jarrett's Opinion...
    In any event, after seeing his mugshot, I find it impossible to take him seriously...
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    Why does that look like 5 different fox hosts at the same time?
     
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