Biden admin providing veteran medical resources to illegal immigrants

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  1. Bill Carson

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    I don't need an explanation of what the current rules are as I have personally read them. I know what they are. And I know they conflict with the notion that anyone can apply for asylum regardless of whether or not they entered legally.

    Here's the lawsuit and the ACLU's spin:

    https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-appeals-court-grants-stay-in-biden-asylum-ban-case

    What I said is that anyone that doesn't use the CBP One app is presumed to be ineligible for asylum. I'm 100% correct. That said, Biden is still letting in millions.....that his own rules says aren't eligible for asylum and thus are subject to expedited deportation. There is a reason why the latest ukraine/israel spending bill had a path to amnesty in it. FYI.

    Biden is using something called 'parole' to let in millions of illegals. To be clear, if an illegal is granted 'parole', they are still illegal. No legal status is granted with parole.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who ever said immigrants aren't human.

    Post it. Source it.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I could argue that logic means even left to progressive liberals.

    Your country is literally being overrun by illegal aliens at numbers unsustainable without negatively impacting current residents.

    But we get it, the left needs voters.
     
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    I don't have an issue with this one. The degree of benefits for vets in this country is absurd. Spend two years (+IRR ofc) doing a 9-5 state side job and getting your ass kissed for life is asinine. I'm for giving benefits to career servicemen and anyone who sustained combat injuries (legitimate ones), but the rest should take their free college and get off the teat. So until that happens if some unscrupulousness Dem wants to dip into the funds to pay their invaderbros, well then IDGAF.
     
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    ICE and VA are both parts of federal government. Federal government paid for it. Inexcusable.
     
  6. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you even bother with that fertilizer? Do you actually think anyone is changing their minds because of it?

    If you care about the future of the nation- come up with a solution to our problems, that isn't a denial they exist. A way to clear the fog. A way to end the corruption. A way for people to have some confidence is their government, their media, their fellow man. Something useful.

    It's hard to look rational saying that people who want a great nation are all conspiring against it.
    Are you in favor of a better nation? Something about that you dislike?
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So- you are saying that you are alright with letting in millions of illegals. Can we "presume" that?
     
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    When you unwittingly prove the point that asylum seekers are not illegal aliens….
     
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    Not no but hell no. I don't think you understand the complex scam the Biden admin is running.
     
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    Parole is not a legal status. Illegal is still illegal. Almost all asylum seekers are illegal aliens, although most all illegal aliens don't bother with asylum claims. They just stay illegally just like the millions of others here for decades.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think anybody fully understands it, it is certainly very complex and multi-layer insulated. And Joe is no longer pulling the strings. Don't know who is, but I have absolutely no doubt that nothing in the plan is legitimate unless it's by accident.
     
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    I have a solution!
    Vote for Trump, and he will stop letting Illegal immigrants use VA funds! (even though they are not). Then, Trump will figure out a way to steal the money from the Veterans for himself! Problem solved!
     
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    What would you say is the best way to help America’s homeless population? I’m strongly in favor of government subsidized housing and eventually the decommodification of housing (one day…).

    What do you support?
     
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    Y'know, a proper response would be something like " oops, got it a little off there, apologies, but this is my overall point......."
    I've been coming to this forum for quite a while, only reading for many years. Finally I started an account to make comments. One thing I've noticed over the years is that when someone posts something that turns out to be wrong or inaccurate, it is exceedingly rare for them to own up to it.
    To be honest, the libs are a little better at it than the cons, or now, Trumpers.
    I personally think it goes to explain, in part, the political climate in America today.
    If one is wrong about something, or misread or mistyped, it is healthy to admit it and go on. What is unhealthy is the insistence that it is not in error, thereby sides stepping any responsibility. The rise of Trump support seems to be adding tremendously to the attitude of not taking responsibility,
    They are not alone, but I believe it is at the core of our overly partisan intercourse.
    Just my two cents.
    You're welcome!
     
  15. Bill Carson

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    Everything the government touches goes to :icon_shithappens:. If you want "decommodification" of housing, you want to live in a communist society. I don't.

    I have traveled to over 30 countries around the world.....many of which have people living on just a few hundred dollars per month. They don't have homeless problems.

    How is that? First, they don't have a drug problem. Second, they don't have open borders. Third, they don't have expansive government welfare systems.
     
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    You’ve not provided any policy prescriptions. What do you want to do to help America’s homeless population that precludes us from providing aid to our allies?
     
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    1. Parole may not be a legal status, but "illegal" most definitely is a legal status... and it means there was a legal violation of some sort

    2. We have a legal definition of what an illegal immigrant is, and it is someone who A. enters the country without an immigration inspection, B. enterers the country fraudulently, or C. Enters the country with a valid visa but remains after the expiration of said visa... which asylum seekers are none of

    3. We have a legal definition of a legal immigrant, and it is a foreign born person who is legally permitted to be in the US. An asylum seeker is most definitely legally permitted to remain in the country, be it not yet determined how long

    Under the current administration's policy, someone who enters the country illegally loses their eligibility to apply as an asylum seeker. An asylum seeker is quite literally someone who enters the country from a legal point of entry to go through the legal process available to them.

    By no legal definition are asylum seekers considered illegal immigrants. This is not subjective, you are objectively wrong
     
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    Champion of the U.S. Military Tuberville?

    Funny stuff!
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not about Tuberville- it about what Joe is doing to America. One of several hundred, possibly thousands of malicious acts labeled with BS like "Building Back Better".
     
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    Blowing gas about the President is as tedious as when the goobers in Congress were failing to concoct pretexts to impeach him. The same arrangement pertained throughout the Trump regime and several preceding it.

    A 22-year-old arrangement between the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Immigration and Customs Enforcement has drawn ire from conservatives in Congress, who claim it puts health care for detained migrants over that of veterans.

    But VA officials say it has no impact whatsoever on veterans' services or health care -- and costs the agency nothing.

    Since 2002, the VA's Financial Services Center, or FSC, has processed medical claims for an ICE program office that is responsible for providing health care for migrants detained by the border security agency.

    [https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/01/11/va-paying-migrant-health-care-agency-says-no-despite-wave-of-political-attacks.html]
     
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    People who want a great nation don't go around making up false accusations, they at least do their homework before posting. Let alone making excuses for 1/6.

    Just a reminder. :)
     
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    Drug use is world wide, every nation has border security issues, and there are most certainly homeless throughout the world. !!!
     
  23. Bill Carson

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    See below.
    See above.

    Excuses are like ***holes, everybody has them.
     
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    I'm not the one who lives in fantasy land thinking drug users are only in the US. :)
     
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    Wait until the people who currently vote for Democrats realize they're not needed anymore.
     
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