Biden Administration to close gun show loophole

Completely ignoring him crime to manufacture criminals out of non criminals is stupid.

 

That only shows that you're biased.

 

There is also the fact that there is no gun show loophole.

 

Merrick Garland probably couldn't point out the breach from the muzzle

 

So? And that is relevant how?

 

Because the people that make the laws or interpret them should actually have some idea of what it is they're dealing with.

How about you? Doesn't it make you angry that people who think that their life is worth protecting with a gun doesn't think that you or your family's life should merit that same level of protection?

Just because some egg head manages to get elected does not mean that their life is more important than any other citizens life.

How would you vote for such a person in good conscience?

 

Don’t have to know the entirety of how an ICE works to draft legislation on traffic safety

 

It does in Texas.

 

From what I've read about the new rule, it sounds like intent is what matters. If you're charged with being an unlicensed dealer, the government will not actually have to prove that you made a profit- only that that was your intent. Selling a gun soon after purchase, reserving a table at a gun show, or placing an ad online could be sufficient to prove such intent.

"Unlicensed dealers who do not conduct background checks are also the largest source of firearms that are illegally trafficked into our communities. In an assessment of its gun trafficking investigations from 2017 to 2021, ATF identified sales by unlicensed dealers as the most frequently used gun trafficking channel. Moreover, unlicensed dealers were the source of more than half of the firearms identified as having been trafficked during the five-year study period—a total of more than 68,000 illegally trafficked firearms.... It does not matter whether you are dealing firearms at a gun show, online, in your home, in the trunk of a car, at a flea market, or anywhere else—you must obtain a license and run background checks results. Evidence that a person placed ads online or reserved a table at a gun show shows that the person is intending to profit from the sale.... The final rule clarifies that even a single firearm transaction may be sufficient to require a license, if there is other behavior to suggest commercial activity. For example, a person selling just one gun and then saying to others they are willing and able to purchase more firearms for resale may be required to obtain a license and run background checks."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...firearm-background-checks-to-fight-gun-crime/

 

Yes. It seems this covers only unlicensed dealers not a private person wanting to trade an AR15 for something else. I don't see this changing much anything.

I'm sure you know they mean "private sales", but I don't think this rule bans it.

Yes, the term refers to people who are not licensed dealers.

 

Nothing is going to change because it's almost impossible to enforce, but I think that's by design. Since this new rule with no affect, the next argument will be that there needs to be national registration. After a national registry is created, the confiscations will begin.

 

This rule won't reduce gun crimes.

 

Yes, looks like "doing something for the sake of doing something". Or doing it for the appearance of doing something.

 

I think the ATF will be going after people who regularly sell guns without a license. That's a very good thing since those people don't run criminal background checks on potential buyers. In order for background checks to become universal Congress would have to pass legislation.

 

That's already illegal. But, it's untrackable.

 

This is a step towards registration and confiscation.

 

Why would they need 'steps' if that is what they wanted? Even if they needed "steps", I don't see how this would serve as one. The intent seems to be to crack down on for-profit unlicensed dealers.

 

And you know this because….

 

those laws have been on the books for decades

 

common sense about how criminals operate.

 

It's unenforceable. That's how I know.

 

That's how the anti-gunners are playing the game. Everytime they pass a law it's always what we need, until it doesn't work and they want a tougher law, then a tougher law. It's already illegal to sell guns for profit without an FFL.

 

Well, do much for the "needed steps" theory.

I didn't know that private non-lisenced sellers needed to run background checks. You say it has been in the books?

 

there is no such thing as a legal non licensed DEALER. the FAOPA defined what was a dealer vs a Casual seller. if you buy and sell guns for the purpose of making a profit-you are a DEALER and you need to be holding an FFL. if you are merely selling your own used guns that person does not need a license nor does congress likely have the power to demand them perform a background check since they are limited to selling INTRASTATE. and it is worthless anyway. Those selling to criminals aren't going to bother

 

example of a case I am familiar with

Joe rented a table at a gun show in SW Ohio. on his table are 10 guns he inherited from his late father in law. He has price tags on them. Does he have to conduct a background check under the brady law? NO

Dave comes along carrying a Colt Python. Joe offers Dave 600 dollars and Dave accepts. again-no background check required nor a dealer's license. JOE THEN PUTS 650 on the Python and puts it on his table. AT THIS POINT JOE needs a license