Biden Administration to close gun show loophole

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/justice-department-publishes-new-rule-update-definition-engaged-business-firearms-dealer#:~:text=The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA), enacted June 25,a profit through the repetitive

    The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA), enacted June 25, 2022, expanded the definition of engaging in the business of firearms dealing to cover all persons who devote time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business to predominately earn a profit through the repetitive purchase and sale of firearms. On March 14, 2023, President Biden issued Executive Order 14092, which, among other things, directs the Attorney General to develop and implement a plan to clarify the definition of who is engaged in the business of dealing in firearms and thus required to obtain a federal firearms license. The Final Rule conforms the ATF regulations to the new BSCA definition and further clarifies the conduct that presumptively requires a license under that revised definition, among other things.

    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/definition-engaged-business-dealer-firearms

    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...gaged-in-the-business-as-a-dealer-in-firearms

    as stated previously, the BSCA revised 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(21)(C) to change part of the definition of persons “engaged in the business” of dealing in firearms. This amendment broadened the definition to reflect that it applies to persons who engage in the business of purchasing and selling firearms at wholesale or retail with the predominant purpose of earning a profit, rather than just to persons whose primary purpose is both livelihood and profit. This means “that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection.” 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(22). “As a result, the BSCA definitional changes could make some, but not all, intrastate, private firearm transfers subject to GCA recordkeeping and background check requirements” that previously were not subject to those requirements, “if those transfers are made by profit-oriented, repetitive firearms buyers and sellers.” [27]
     
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    A non licensed dealer is a private person who sells firearms for profit. As for this rule, I already said its done for "doing something for the sake of doing something"
     
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    do you think this new effort by the Biden administration is going to have any value in reducing crime
     
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    What does it sound like based on my posts on this thread?
     
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    * drooling mouth breathers......." Just do something "

    Incompetent administration, does something...
     
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  7. Turtledude

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    sounds like NO
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Garland is the top law enforcement officer in the country. But you know better??? :deadhorse:
     
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    yeah about firearms than he does. I doubt he has a distinguished expert rating, several all american team memberships, and two top ten finishes at the world championships. He also is intrinsically dishonest when it comes to firearms and the constitution. Feel free to worship him-its what the left tends to do
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'll "feel free" to ignore anybody who doesn't want background checks.
     
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    I write off as dishonest or ignorant, those who think criminals are going to actually be prevented from getting firearms by background checks. I also note those who think the federal government has the constitutional power to demand private citizens conduct them, to be a statist who has no understanding of the tenth amendment. Oh Btw what exactly are your credentials concerning firearms, their uses and the law? Probably a bit below Merrick Garland I suspect
     
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    You love to broad-brush-stroke your liberality with guns. Saying things like "criminals will still get them". NOT ALL! Also it's not just criminals who perpetrate crimes. Mentally ill can easily get firearms. Impulsive folks (non-criminals) in a fit of rage can acquire an instant firearm. His anger would probably dissipate if he had to wait for a background check. Merrick Garland isn't guilty of such broad-brush-strokes, and that's why he states that Biden's law "will save lives".
     
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    you do know that Duke University conducted a massive study concerning the implementation of background checks required by dealers and could find that those checks did not have any measurable impact on violent crime. Merrick Garland has contempt of the second amendment, the supreme court rulings on it, and the people who support it. I am really glad he was kept off the supreme court
     
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    "Under long-standing federal law, people who operate gun shops — or whose main livelihood involves selling firearms — must register with the government to obtain a Federal Firearms License. This license requires them to search a federal database before selling a gun to ensure that the purchaser is not barred from owning one. The license also requires gun vendors to record the sale of each firearm, making it easier for federal officials to trace the gun if it is used in a crime.

    "But people who claim that selling firearms is not their main source of income — such as people who sell guns at shows or in other more informal settings — have been exempt from such licensing rules. The 2022 law aimed to change that by saying that many more categories of people selling guns to earn money must register for a license and, as a result, record gun purchases and conduct the background checks that come with having that license."
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/11/gun-show-loophole-closed-biden-atf/

    People who sell guns as a side hustle will no longer be exempt. They'll be required to be licensed and run background checks on potential buyers.
     
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    and how is that going to help stop criminals given criminals aren't getting guns from such people. Parroting the propaganda of the most dishonest administration in history doesn't do much
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Says the guy from the Party who hates college eduation. Merrick Garland will run circles around your knowledge.
     
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    no he doesn't and we should compare our educations Media Truth. I have three Ivy degrees. I was the ranking student in my major at Yale. How many degrees do you have?
     
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    Three IVY degrees? Is Poison Ivy one of them? I have one BS degree. That's all I need. I don't go around bragging about how great I am. Anybody that has to resort to that isn't worth the time of day, in my book.
     
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    I only post that to destroy your claims that anyone who supports Trump is uneducated etc. and your fluffing of Merrick Garland is a really pathetic bit of fanboyism. Media Truth-LOL, truth in advertising violation
     
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    You misquote me. I never said "anyone who supports Trump is uneducated". I said Republicans are the "Party who hates college eduation" And for the most part that's true. And then you start off with --- "I only post that to". False - you're constantly tooting your own horn. To most of us, it's nothing but the same ole' stubborn, bull-headed, rhetoric that is responsible for massive death and destruction in America.
     
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    and that was a really stupid comment. Death and destruction???? OH THE DRAMA. leftwing nonsense is what causes most of the violent death in this country. And when it comes to guns, the left constantly lies-like GUN SHOW LOOPHOLES. a bright and shining lie.
     
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    It's hardly "DRAMA". It's everyday life.

    https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country/

    The ten countries with the most gun deaths are :

    1. Brazil – 47,510
    2. Mexico – 20,509
    3. United States of America – 13,001
    4. Colombia – 12,596
    5. Venezuela – 9,338
    6. Philippines – 9,028
    7. India – 7,977
    8. Guatemala – 5,165
    9. Nigeria – 3,482
    10. South Africa – 2,937
     
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    Brazil-severe anti gun laws
    Mexico-severe anti gun laws-only one legal gun shop in the entire country.
    13,000 gun deaths (those must be murders only) in a country of over 400 million guns and over 100 million gun owners. do the math

    and we both know that public safety isn't what motivates leftwing gun restrictionists.
     
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    Stop putting damn words into the mouths of others. The entire response is nothing but rhetoric and denial.
     
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    well why is it that only left-wingers push for gun control as crime control? this board is littered with lefties attacking lawful gun owners and the NRA, not criminals.
     
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