Biden's popular vote victory is actually going to be huge

Democrats at first got dismayed because their candidates seemed to have underperformed as compared to the flawed polls.

But let's really think of it, a bit.

Biden is on track to flip Pennsylvania back, having already flipped back Michigan and Wisconsin. He is also on track to do something that hasn't been done in three decades: win deep red Georgia. He should win Nevada and lose North Carolina, Alaska, and Arizona, to complete all states not called yet.

So, ultimately - and provided that these trends above materialize, which I'm fully aware that they haven't, yet - Biden will have 295 Electoral College votes.

Biden will have won all Hillary states, and will have flipped four states won by Trump - Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Georgia.

But then, look at this: he's got already 4 million popular votes more than Trump. But his will increase a lot.

California has only counted 66% of their votes, and just in California Biden is ahead by 4 million popular votes. So if the last third is the same, Biden will add 2 million popular votes more, to his excess over Trump. Just with the end of California's count, Biden will be sitting at 6 million popular votes more than Trump.

He probably will pick up some more elsewhere... New York for example has only counted 80% so far... and some other places. Even if some red states still have outstanding votes, they tend to be the mail-in and absentee votes, and these tend to be more for Biden even in red counties.

Say, Biden ends up with 7 million more popular votes. That's double of what Hillary got over Trump.

Also, Biden will have more than 76 million votes, if not close to 80 million. That's the biggest total for any president in our whole history.

And finally, the two Senate races in Georgia are going to a run-off. It's a toss-up. If the Dems win both they do flip the Senate.

Especially if the latter happens, the results won't be as disappointing for the Dems as they seemed at first.

Forget the polls. This is a significant victory. Biden, old, not the most popular candidate with the progressive wing of his party, with a log of baggage... dislodged the incumbent (always a difficult thing to do), and beat him by 7 million popular votes. That's not negligible. And his party still has a shot at earning control of the Senate.

Given all the difficulties involved in beating an incumbent, I think after all the Dems did rather well.

It only appears that they didn't, because of the temptation to compare it to the flawed polls, which created a false expectation. But what the Dems did seems good enough.

 

His current 73 million total includes the current vote count in California. There's nothing stopping the tallying of numbers before a state's close. I actually think Biden's grand total will be close to 76 million, 77 million at the most. Whereas Trump has a chance of cracking 70-71 million.

To be sure, Biden was/is more popular, but it's still by a 50-48 margin. As Biden said the other day, he acknowledges that he doesn't have a mandate. He's inheriting a difficult situation.

 

Republicans underestimated how much the average American hates trump

 

No, the totals so far are the totals for the COUNTED votes, and California hasn't counted one third of their votes.

Anyway, we're about at the same totals... I'm projecting that Biden will end up with a 7-millions excess in popular votes. You are saying he will be between 5 million and 7 million. What exactly are you saying that is different?

Here is the point: Trump won by a razor-thin margin in 2016 and lost the popular vote by 3 million. It didn't stop him from declaring himself the owner of a mandate (did it as recently as in the Justice Barrett process).

Biden is beating him by a lot more than he beat Hillary.

So why in the hell wouldn't Biden act as the real winner, one who got half of American voters + 7 million, in the biggest total of votes given to an American president, ever?

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In many posts I said, especially earlier in the process, that I expected Trump to win, being the incumbent. Well, Biden beat him. That's very significant.

Dozens of primary presidential candidates tried in 2016, Hillary tried, dozens of others tried this year... Trump seemed to be the Teflon Man and regardless of all the "that's it, now he's doomed" that followed every scandal, he survived... until the faced Joe Biden. Then he lost.

So, the guy that everybody called senile, demented, a fool, dumb, etc... beat the previously unbeatable Donald Trump, and by about 5 to 7 million popular votes.

Congratulations, President Joe Biden!!!

 

I dunno, I think we overestimated it. Hopefully it’ll be enough, but I’m amazed he got as many votes as he did after seeing what he was the last 4 years.

 

Sure the popular vote will be big. Dems had to manufacture so many fake ballots to overcome Trump's actual votes.

 

You can post some proof of that any time now lol

 

Not at all, the MSMs 4 year 98 percent fake news negative coverage (even during times where things were going very well) saw to that.

 

Oh the nation is completely ****ed. We have a president that ignores natural disasters because of the ideology of the Americans that live there and he almost won.

Conservatives abandoning trump is why he lost (which is why down ballot races stayed at a pretty much standstill from 201

 

Trillion dollar deficits isn’t “going well”. Placing farmers on welfare because of a failed trade war isn’t “going well”. Dividing the nation because they don’t blindly support the reality tv host in chief isn’t “going well”.

 

I agree. It looks like people pretty much voted along party lines, as was predicted beforehand. There were few undecideds. Turnout also increased for both parties, but it seems a little more for the Dems.

Overall, it shows the following facts: The populus as a whole leans Democrat, and demographics continue pushing that way. Despite this shift, it will require increasingly larger supermajority in the popular vote for Dems to win the important stuff, i.e. the WH and the Senate. It is doubtful that a GOP president will ever be elected again and also winning the popular vote, unless they are highly popular and have a poor Dem opponent. Overall, the GOP is getting better at trying to hang on to their minority rule, as can be seen by the stacking of the SC and the gerrymandering in house districts.

 

Like I said in this post, I actually don't think that 7 million popular votes down is "almost won." He lost by a small electoral college margin because our system is the electoral college, but his being behind 7 million popular votes still shows that a solid majority of Americans wanted to deny him a second term (and did).

Well said, that's exactly what happened. Which is why talking of fraud is ridiculous. If fraud had happened, the Dems would be doing a lot better in the Senate races.

 

I appreciate that Biden hasn't acted like the real winner...yet. I think Trump doing so looks very bad and shows his inability to face any information he doesn't like. He acknowledged COVID19 in a phone call early enough to do something decisive and helpful then turned around and shrugged off the deaths with "it is what it is" in a later interview.

I feel a little bad for him. He has some pending charges in NY, serious tax issues, outstanding loans coming due, mass exodus of employees, a wife that seems to dislike him and will go down in history as a one-term President that divided the nation. His ego is probably doing a tailspin of "the likes we've never seen".

Biden is being professional and holding the stance of "let the process work" before announcing a win.

 

If Biden wins, I wonder if Trump will do the traditional thing and call the winner to concede and congratulate them. Any bets on that? I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

I am not holding mine either. I recall the conversations here about him refusing to give up the White House with some saying he would have to be FORCIBLY removed. At the time, I thought that was a bit far-fetched. Now, I don't know.

 

I think he will eventually give up. However, he will be as petulant, childish, and divisive on the way out as he can be. If he can't win, scorched earth is the motto.

 

It is still far too soon to call the polls flawed given that we still do NOT have all of the votes counted.

What was MISSED was the Red Wave that has mitigated the Blue Wave to some extent. I suspect that when ALL of the votes have been counted some of the seats that flipped red might end up as remaining blue given the propensity for these late ballots to lean left.

As far as GA goes I am not at all certain that Biden will maintain his lead given that we still have outstanding military ballots. While the officers lean towards Biden the troops lean the other way.

So what we have is probably the highest turnout in a very long time from BOTH sides and that is a GOOD thing for our democracy to have this degree of voter participation.

Neither side is going to have a mandate but the REJECTION of the past 4 years is coming across loud and clear as something that will NOT be tolerated.

Without the Senate and WITH Biden's Senate EXPERIENCE I can see bipartisan compromises as a result. That is HOW the Founding Fathers anticipated things would run.

Perhaps the message will also come across that the EC is a racist anachronism that MUST be abolished. That might be a bridge too far to achieve but it would be at least worth trying for IMO.

 

Most Republicans are sitting on the sidelines. They want nothing to do with this. The Cult will parrot, they're brainwashed, but the chaos most of us feared doesn't seem to be happening. The country is ready for a change.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing your actual proof

 

Be honest. Did you ever think you would be in an online political forum actually having a conversation about the POTUS being unprofessional, petulant, childish and divisive? Before this president took office, I didn't. ;-(

 

Democrats underestimate how much the average American hates election fraud. But they'll learn. Yes indeed they'll learn.

We need to scrap the 2020 election entirely. Throw away all registrations and require a complete fresh start to register and then follow all legal procedures to cast a ballot. If it is an honest count by honest methods nobody sincere will challenge the results. If we continue with the method we have, Democrats will continue to cheat until a free election as we know it will be a faded memory.

If Biden won, let this confirm it with no stigma of corruption attached. To keep the method that is under such debate? That stinks of a fix. It's how democrats roll.

 

And your ACTUAL proof of cheating is???

 

Forthcoming. Trump's reelection will guarantee that.

Not that the left has believed photographic evidence (and witness statements!) of ballots being wheeled into the Detroit counting facility which refused to allow Republican oversight. But nothing to see here, just another corrupt Demo-trash election, rigged and blatant as all get-out.

 

Who would have thought Harris would have gotten so many votes, considering how poorly she did before.....

 

All hearsay. But Trump has trained you well