Biden's popular vote victory is actually going to be huge

This election was a referendum on trump, very little else changed. Democrats definitely need to reevaluate some of their messaging if they want to remain competitive.

 

Yes, Steve Bannon said "without the mail in ballots Trump would have won."
Translation: without so many legitimate, eligible American citizens exercising their right to vote for Biden regardless of how their ballots reached the Board of Elections, Trump would have won. Sure. But we DID vote for Biden, and that's why he won.

 

Did Biden say that? He's playing nice Trump acted like he pulled fdr numbers when he won. With a popular vote loss

 

True. Just like when Hillary was no longer the candidate against whom people wanted to protest, Bernie Sanders flunked and got cut to his own small size despite the 2016 mirage, I'd say that it is likely that once Trump is out of the picture, the Dems will have trouble prevailing in 2024. Me, I voted more against Trump than for Biden, and would have (and will in the future) perfectly considered a vote for a good GOP candidate.

Now, one thing is for sure: If Ivanka Trump or Eric Trump or Jared Kushner run for president in 2024 and get nominated, then I'll vote for the Democrat again, regardless of who he/she is. Even if it is someone I profoundly dislike like AOC, I'd want her as the lesser evil before I supported a return of the Trumps to the White House. That's how much I'm sick and tired of the Trumps.

 

Garyd, I'm getting really tired of your conspiracy theories. I think I'll just move you to my Ignore list. Done. Good bye.

 

The media has the ability to sway everyones opinions, regardless of the topic. If you disagree, then thats your choice but this is the objective truth.

Trump isn't a POS, that is an emotional attack not founded in reality.

The first 3 years, Trump outperformed obama while spending less, this is objectively true.

What will go down in the history books is how well Trump did despite the opposition and fake news. He genuinely will be remembered well. The same cannot be said for democrats.

 

I feel like we are the same person sometimes (ideal wise), although I am properly a tad more left than you. I just wish everyone would stop looking at this as sports teams and instead focus on actually making the nation a better place to live. Most of the major issues need aspects of both Republican and Democratic ideals.

We have so many issues in this country; the largest prison population per capita on earth, overall poor and inaccessible healthcare, declining educational standards, run away debt, along with conspiracy and propaganda having more and more of a hold on us.

 

Very true. I think we are in dire need of national reconciliation. I don't think we'll achieve it (we're are too far gone) so we'll continue to decline.

 

The first three years has never been used to compare presidents, it will not start now because you want it to...

What would you call someone that has had three marriages, cheated on all three, defrauded investors, paid off prostitutes, stolen from schools and charities, multiple instances of tax evasion?

Is that your definition of a good person?

 

People compare presidents across a variety of timelines.

They will absolutely compare the first 3 years, based on the unprecedented global virus, and say Trump did a better job than Obama, while spending less.

This is going to happen, regardless if you want it to or not.

It is not my fault you choose to believe the fake news about him. but ofcourse, you wouldnt ever look at the charity he has done, or any of his accomplishments and how he has helped many people in a tangible manner.

He will go down in the history books as a great president, once emotions simmer down.

 

You must see Mitch as your typical republican majority leader, no different than Bill Frist, Trent Lott, Robert Dole, Howard Baker, Everet Dirkson etc. He's not. He's more like the RNC party chair, with only one job - defend the party over every other interest - including the Senate as an institution, or the United States. There is no dilemma in McConnell, no torn loyalties to weigh or consider. He's a partisan toad who's only goal is to stop Democrats, and prop up Republicans. No Democrat can work with him.

Of course its not entirely his fault, there are virtually no moderate republicans or center leaning republicans on whom a Democratic President like Biden can hope to build a centrist majority coalition. The party establishment on both sides punish moderates and centrists with threats of a primary opponent if they don't tow the base line and voters in the primary tend to vote them out.

NOthing is going to get done with McConnell obstructing that that is what the GOP want him to do. The federal govt will not function until dems get a majority in the Senate.

 

You may be right but Biden may be an exception. Mitch is actually quite fond of Biden. Listen to this in its entirety. Quite remarkable.



Pay particular attention to what comes after 2 minutes and 50 seconds. Then pay attention to 6 minutes 35 seconds.

Then, listen to this:



See above what Reid says at 3'40"

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There's been rarely a Democratic president so well-equipped to work with a Republican Senate than President-Elect Joe Biden.

I have hope.

 

A lot of people are fond of Biden. He's perfect for this, but McConnell is NOT. Dems will not trust him, and they should not. He's a partisan worm. He has never put country before party, not once. he has never taken a risk or offended his right base to get something done. We probably need a new Majority leader that we can work with, or we need to wait until we can get a majority.

 

You didn’t answer the question: “What would you call someone that has had three marriages, cheated on all three, defrauded investors, paid off prostitutes, stolen from schools and charities, multiple instances of tax evasion?

Is that your definition of a good person?”

As to your hypothesis, time will tell — and I try not to make predictions but I am sure of this one. He will not be remembered fondly.

 

I answered it directly, I dont care if you choose not to recognize that.

He will definitely be remembered fondly, he has alot of accomplishments despite the overwhelming amount of unjust hatred based on fake news.

 

It is a yes or no question.
No you didn’t

 

I did.

 

What's "obvious" about a scenario made up in your head that is completely unsubstantiated - a pure flight of fancy?!

 

I said this many times - long prior to this election - as was evident from the last election - The Demographic Time Bomb has happened - in quantity that it is significant.

All Blue has to do is stay out of its own way to win elections from here on in. The Red platform is not appealing to the new generation - Anti Abortion - Anti Gay.. and - Anti Esstential Liberty in general - for those who know what the founding principles and Republicanism is all about.

Clinton was off putting to many - I found Hillary condescending to the point of nails on a chalk board - others felt differently She managed to distance herself from the entire Blue Anti Establishment movement .. Got the questions before the debate - the Blue media doing everything in its power to help her - What the Hillary DNC did to Bernie was bad.

While the Blue Bernie Anti Establishment likely did not rush out and vote Red .. many sat on the couch.. as Hilly is an Establishment Insider - so what does it matter. 2016 was one of the worst turnouts percentage wise.

YET - Despite this .Hillary still won more of the popular vote than Trump - but not enough to win the EC. Hillary had no plan - nothing to vote for - just "Bad Trump" "Bad Trump" - like a parrot on a broken record.

Biden wasn't much better in terms of Platform - but at least he didn't distance himself from an entire movement within the party -

I - and many others have noted that if Blue gets out the vote - Blue wins - and they got out the vote this time - and had 4 more years into the demo-g time bomb.

Blue deserved to lose this election - and I wish they would have - as the party needs to be decimated - as they are on the wrong path - long term - horrible enviro policy in particular - Anti ACLU - Pro War - now the party of the Neocon - but that has been the case for some time .. Pro Military Industrial Complex ...which we all are - in a way -wanting to be the best - but not when they are using their power against the US citizens... not acting in our best interest - riddle me the war in Syria if you claim otherwise.

but - Blue won -and will continue to win - so long as they do not completely screw the pooch - and get out a decent amount of the vote.

 

No you didnt.

And another thing..how will people be able to look up just the first three years..all you type is president, and spending..The computer isnt going to weed out the last year to make Trump look better. And if its going to tell people about the pandemic, it will most certainly remind people of the great recession and the spending required to pull us out of it during Obama. Sorry but nothing you typed was accurate. Nothing..

So with a yes or no question,
“What would you call someone that has had three marriages, cheated on all three, defrauded investors, paid off prostitutes, stolen from schools and charities, multiple instances of tax evasion?"

Is that your definition of a good person?”

Yes or no.

Your answer determines self honesty. Lets see if Trump supporters are capable of that.

 

Except it isn't.

 

Excellent post as usual - this poster is so insightful!

 

This election is a mixed bag. Folks wanted to get rid of Trump, he's gone once everything becomes official. It was a bit closer than I thought it would be. But down ballot, the Democrats were losers in a sense which is where the mixed bag comes in. Biden didn't have any coat tails, he failed to bring any Democrats on board with his win.

In the senate, with the GOP defending 22 seats to the Democrats 12, so far the Democrats have a net gain of 1 seat with 4 to be decided. Of those four, North Carolina and Alaska seem almost certain to go Republican leaving the two Georgia seats to be decided in January. The Democrats spent 900 million dollars on these senate races, so far what all that money got them was a one seat gain.

In the House, the GOP has flipped 8 Democratic seats vs 2 for the Democrats with the count continue that is a pick up of 6 seats for the Republicans with 30 seats still to be determined. the count stands now at 209 Democrats, 196 Republican. The old house was 237 Democrat, 197 Republican with 1 independent.

Governors, the Republicans had a net gain of one. Montana. The Democrats lost one governorship. No Biden coat tails.

State legislatures, The GOP picked up 2 so far with 2 remaining to be decided.

One can put this outside of getting rid of Trump, this whole election was a vote for the status quo. One word of advice for the Democrats, this election was about getting rid of Trump, not for any drastic Democratic changes or initiatives. Certainly this election didn't give the democrats a mandate. This election was all about getting rid of Trump, not putting the Democrats back in power. It was basically a status quo election leaving everything in place except one man.

Basically the tally is
Presidency, democratic gain
Senate democrat's net gain of 1, the senate probably will remain in GOP hand depending on Georgia
House Democrats lost a net of 6 seats with 30 still to be determined
State legislature, democrats lost 2 with 2 still to be decided
governorship's democrats lost one.

status quo. no mandate. Trump gone.

 

I mean...So what?
What he promise anyway? He did the one thing he was meant to do, get rid of Trump. Everyone aside from Trump supporters are pretty much on board with how we should handle the pandemic arnt they?

 

Biden's popular vote victory is actually going to be huge

A natural result of mailing millions of unsolicited ballots. My own opinion is that the number or voters choosing Biden is smaller than the number of ballots choosing him.