So there were cops there. They screwed up. One of them is up on criminal charges now. Have any of those cops come forward and demonstrated that they were engaged in police work and were making any effort to bust the thugs for the criminal gathering? Can any of them who can prove that they are clean testify that Lien did anything illegal? Find a credible witness.
Why are you so hung up on Trayvon Martin? I'm pretty sure you aren't one of the race-baiters on this forum who can't think of anything but TM or GZ. He is old news... gone... forgotten... a bad memory. If the driver of the SUV was sitting on top of a biker hitting him "MMA style", then yes I would support the biker's defense of shooting him. 100% Is that what you got? If so, please tell me that's what happened. Because dancing around with all these "what ifs" of yours is pretty lame.
They were boring to St. Trayvon worshipers too. I was right then too. The reason I keep reference it is because it is the most recent event where a lynch mob formed without all the evidence. Hopefully the president will condemn this event so I can get some support. The only "what if" I am proposing is "what if what the witnesses are saying is true?"
The possibility that the witnesses are telling the truth is vanishingly small. To say anything other than what they say would be to admit to a felony.
Not the hundreds of people behind. It is not a felony to ride in a group down a highway. They don't have to say anything. Everyone has turned themselves in or come forward voluntarily to give witness testimony. You believe what you believe and that will never change. I don't care what you imagine happened. I asked if what they are saying is true, would it change anyones position... you are locked in... having an argument about the unknown. I don't want to do that. If you dont care, even if Lien was the aggressor, that is all I care about.
They were all participating in an illegal act. It is illegal to block a roadway, it is illegal to menace others on the road, it is illegal to stop and park on a highway. No they do not, it is enough that the "ride" prompted over 200 911 calls before the incident with the SUV. BS. They did so knowing that perhaps doing so will result in some leniency for their participation. There is NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING to suggest that he was aggressive prior to being swarmed by thugs. Had he been alone, that may be different, but the fact that he had his wife and small child in the car make that implausible. Couple that with documented past behavior of the same gang and it quickly becomes clear that the thugs provoked any reaction that any motorist would have had.
Watching people break the law is not breaking the law. If you think 300 people are part of this gang... how many sportbike riders do you think there are, and what percent of them are "bad"? A little more on that undercover cop... he was elite. Best of the best stuff... he was part of a very specialized security group... they did infiltrations, in fact he was imbedded in OWS.
They were not all participating in an illegal act. They did not shut down the highway. Witnesses say he was the aggressor, referring to him as "a maniac". I get that you don't believe it. Again, is it possible, if possible would it matter, if it would matter, why not wait for the investigation?
The entire "ride" without the incident was illegal. Of course they did. Self serving lies of participants in an illegal activity. There nothing that supports anything but the fault of the bikers. Is it possible that things were not what MOST people saw and believed? Yes, theoretically, but the odds are slimmer than a cold day in hell.
It most certainly is not upholding it either and that is the sworn duty of a cop. Higher than it should be. Motorcycling is a wonderful thing, whether cruising or or having a crotch rocket between one's legs. There are enough ways to satisfy the desires of even the most extreme riders in legal ways and the group ride on the day in question is not one of those. And he turned into crap. He was not even undercover, just off duty.
The crowd of motorcycle enthusiests weren't speeding in the videos... they were stunting. Highspeed stunting is different than what these guys were doing in the video... and the stunters want the numbers, they aren't trying to lose anybody. Prove your assertion. It is false. It is not illegal to ride in a large group, even if some people in that group break the law. YOU have to break the law before you are breaking the law. They did not. To bear witness is not to be guilty. You do not seem to understand the law. There is no such thing as "an illegal ride"; you guys just keep making (*)(*)(*)(*) up to rationalize your mob mentality. Witness testimony. Except witness testimony. You have only "I don't believe" without evidence or even willing to wait for the conclusion of the investigation. You are guilty of that which you accuse them of.
IM very happy that the biker that got hit did not die. He will now poo on himself everyday and his family have to smell it when they clean it up.
They were taking part in an event that shut down a highway. Only by overwhelming numbers are a bunch of thugs going to do that. The cops contributed to and augmented those numbers. Screw 'em.
No they didn't. They did not shut down the highway. You are attempting to convict them of what you believe their intent would be. I will tell you a secret... if you want to shutdown the highway, you don't overtake cars to do it. You just stop where you are.
Right, because that is legal on public highways and you are asking me to prove that the entire "ride" was illegal. You are confusing making statements with "to bear witness." Obviously I understand it a lot better than you do. What the group was doing was and remains illegal. No mob mentality here. The only mob was the bikers and there is no need to make up anything, the video clearly shows what is going on. does not exist, only statements.
Quote the statute that suggests 300 people are responsible for the acts of 20 committing traffic offenses. - - - Updated - - - Will do. I don't have anything else to say till the investigation is over.
Exactly. In that scenario the best 'defensive maneuver' would be to pull over and STOP. The bikes do have brakes, don't they? Evidently those who ride them don't have brains.
"Motorcycle enthusiasts"! Meanwhile, allow me a little self-indulgence. This is why you should never allow people with no brains anywhere near a motorcycle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRcrAqQ0zOQ
Uh.... like this ? http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/alexian-lien-bikers-hunt.jpg Edit: Posted link because Image wasn't showing. Why do you constantly claim they didn't do things, that the rest of us can see them do on the video ?! They shut down the highway here, and later when they almost killed the guy. Or as you call it... "citizen's arrest".
