Bill Barr's Searing Speach on Our Current State of Affairs

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  1. opion8d

    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I listened to the speech. It was nothing more than a worshipful exultation to Article Two. Barr never read beyond Article Two because his adoration for the Article and for Trump got him a cushy job as Trumps attorney. His belief that the Constitution gives not authority to remove a sitting president is a laugh and great grist for Trump fans and FOX. JHC
     
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    Get off your high horse. You aren't match to honourable gentleman Mr Barr. Neither intellectually nor morally.
     
  3. stone6

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    Yeah...I was still holding out some hope for Barr...but it appears he's gone (or had already gone) over to the Dark Side.
     
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    More nutty commentary. So you think the recent rash of overstepping district judge boundries is AOK. District judges make decisions for their district, not the whole US. Now they are making decisions for the whole US with national injunctions.
     
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    Yeah, the Constitution, so passe.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eric Holder described himself as "Obama's Wing man" when he had the position. Did that get your panties in a knot?
     
  7. stone6

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    Sorry...but the Constitution gives Congress impeachment and removal powers over that of the President. That's very clear, but apparently overlooked by AG Barr.
     
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    Change that to neocons and you might have a point.
     
  9. Hoosier8

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    Translation: Barr has constitutionally based opinions counter to the lefties progressive view of the world.
     
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    The founders had concerns about impeachment.

    "the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of parties, than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt." ~ Hamilton

    That is exactly what is happening now.
     
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    Which is why the Senate conviction has the same high bar as overcoming a Presidential veto...a two-thirds vote. And, I believe it was Hamilton who initially wanted a President for life. Hamilton, as a Federalist, was about as close to being a Tory without actually being one.
     
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    He is one of the most honorable men to ever has served as AG, twice now.
     
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    Billy the Bagman has exposed his blatant partisan nature.

    Having the AG of the Justice Department display his out right hatred of half the population of the US is an extremely disturbing and dangerous thing.

    The man needs to be impeached
     
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    I never knew an elected president could get under so many people's skin.

    ^You DIDN'T?

    You must've MISSED the 8 Years when the RW was Freaking Out over Obama?:salute:
     
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    What about AG Barr's speech should frighten conservatives?
     
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    Once upon a time, with exception to the unitary nuttery, holding the power of OOP in check was standard.
     
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    This is also in the Constitution.

    Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 provides:

    The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

    Article II, Section 4 provides:

    The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

    This is from the transcript provided by the White House. This is what Trump told the Ukrainian president.

    "I would like you to do us a favor though. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

    No hearsay, no second or third hand testimony, the quote above is straight from the horse's mouth.

    So, is this.

    At a recent briefing, White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney blithely described quid pro quo. “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted a reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in [Trump's] foreign policy.”
     
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    Just a friendly suggestion, stick to the topic.
     
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    Well, I liked the speech. If that makes me a non-conservative, I'll just have to live with that.
     
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    Oh, so Barr’s speech isn’t the issue. Wait, you didn’t listen to it.
     
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    Completely off topic.
     
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    Impeachment Hearings Live Updates: Republicans Question Vindman’s Loyalty

    Republicans, as usual, cannot challenge the evidence against Trump so they attack the integrity of the witness.

    The top Ukraine expert at the National Security Council, Colonel Alexander S. Vindman, testified that Trump’s call with Ukraine’s president in which Trump asked for investigations of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. was “inappropriate” and “a partisan play.”

    Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio cited critical comments about Colonel Vindman’s judgment from two other impeachment witnesses, Timothy Morrison and Fiona Hill, Vindman’s former boss at the National Security Council.

    “Any idea why they have those impressions?” Mr. Jordan inquired.

    “Alex is a top one percent military officer and the best army officer I have worked with in my 15 years of government service,” Vindman said, quoting Hill. “He is brilliant, unflappable, and exercises excellent judgment.”

    Republicans also pressed Colonel Vindman, an American citizen and Army officer who was born in Ukraine, about how Oleksandr Danylyuk, the director of Ukraine’s national security council, had approached him three times to offer him the job of defense minister in Kiev.

    This as if, because the Ukrainians offered Vindman a job three times, has something to do with Vindman's loyalty. In defending their guilty President, Republicans are reaching. Vindman confirmed the offers and testified that he repeatedly declined, dismissing the idea out of hand and reporting the approaches to his superiors and to counterintelligence officials.

    “Every single time, I dismissed it,” he said, adding that “I’m an American. I came here when I was a toddler. And I immediately dismissed these offers, did not entertain them.”
     
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    Sorry, no it is not. You forgot what the OP said, if you ever read it. I was simply adding what also is in our Constitution and the evidence in Trump's impeachment. This is what the OP said.

     
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    Read the title.
     
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    Most ordinary Americans do not like kangaroo courts or show trials.

    that is probably why Trump's approval numbers have risen 5 points since the "hearings" started.
     
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