Breaking: At least 20 dead after explosion near Grande concert Manchester England

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  1. Zorro

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    I didn't ask you anything about that. Why did you feel the need to make such an untrue comment? Just in your nature?
     
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    Almost everything that's bad in the Koran can be found in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud. If Jews were held to the same standard none would be allowed in any country. The Bible is far more violent and racist than the Koran. As recent incidents have shown most of the violent acts have been committed by second or third generations or recent converts. The original immigrants aren't that much of a problem. It's their children who are the dangerous ones.

    We can end immigration simply by cutting off diplomatic relations with certain countries. There's nothing any court can do about it. It only takes a minute and it's a done deal.

    In the case of England it will be interesting to see what steps, if any, they take to control the radical Islamic clerics. Right now they don't seem to be concerned about them. They just want to have troops walking around with guns to show how tough they are.
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    It would have been wonderful if the woman had taken some pictures of the suspect and it proved that she was the one who got busted in the raid. But since she didn't all we have is just more fake news.

    The people keep electing dummies and then get upset when the dummies' actions cause them to get killed.
     
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    It's in all of the holy books.
     
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    Well...if history is any guide.
     
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    Which has nothing to do with the topic, nor is it realistic.
     
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    Love of mankind is not a bad thing. Hate the sin, love the sinner.
     
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    A bit off topic, sorry.
    Islamic attacks don't only occur in the west. Many don't even make the Western press.
    List of terrorist incidents in Indonesia
    Category:Terrorist incidents in Thailand


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks#2000s
     
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    Of course it has everything to do with the topic because the terrorist acts are based on religious doctrine. Although the U.S. isn't a specific Christian country almost all of our foreign and domestic policies are based on Christian doctrine. We know that the Islamic terrorists base their actions upon Islamic doctrine.

    It doesn't matter if you and I don't believe in either religion. Billions of other people do and some of them believe that it's their religious duty to kill people of other religions. It's the First Commandment in the Bible, Exodus 34:12-16.
     
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    Here's more:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-40013139

    Call to 'honestly discuss' Muslim extremism by UKIP's Neil Hamilton
    4 hours ago


    People feel unable to "honestly discuss" extremism, says Neil Hamilton
    People in Western society do not feel they can honestly discuss problems that exist in the Muslim community, UKIP's leader in the Welsh Assembly has said.
    During a heated BBC Wales Ask the Leader programme, Neil Hamilton said an extreme "strand of Islam" was having a "dramatic and disastrous effect".
    He said the Manchester suicide bomber was a "fundamentalist Muslim".
    He denied UKIP was targeting Muslims, but claimed "the problem exists only within the Muslim community".

    The AM for Mid and West Wales said: "Part of the problem with Islamophobia today in Western society is that people feel that we've not been able honestly to discuss problems that undoubtedly exist within the Muslim community.
    "There is a strand of Islam which is extreme and fundamentalist, which don't believe that women have any place in society.
    "It doesn't matter how tiny the percentage is. It clearly has a dramatic and disastrous effect.
    "The views espoused by the person who was responsible for that disgraceful, disgusting outrage in Manchester a few days ago is somebody who believes in fundamentalist Islam.

    "The overwhelming majority of Muslims are just as outraged by this as anybody else. But until we actually deal with the particular problems that exist within that religion and no other within Western society - let's be honest about this, it is solely within Islam - this is something which will never truly be sorted out.
    When challenged that UKIP was unfairly singling out Muslims, Mr Hamilton replied: "We're not targeting the Muslim community. The problem exists only within the Muslim community.
    "This suicide bomber was a fundamentalist Muslim. All suicide bombers have been fundamentalist Muslims. We are targeting the root cause of the problem."
    Mr Hamilton went on to say that it was an "unfortunate feature of the Muslim community that a very substantial proportion of Muslim women, towards a quarter, have very little command of English as a language".
    "We will never get proper integration unless we do something to address this particular problem."

    Asked how he would change that situation, he said it was "difficult" and that people could not be compelled to do what they do not want to do.
    "I think it's got to come within the Muslim community itself," said Mr Hamilton.
    Asked about UKIP's policy to ban face veils worn by Muslim women, he said: "You can force people to change the outward symbols".
    He added: "The veil is a barrier not just to integration but also to treating women, I think, in a way which frees them from the confines of what I personally regard as anachronistic views about the role of women in society."

    Expert view - from Nye Davies of Cardiff University's Wales Governance Centre
    If the latest polling data is anything to go by then we are about to witness one of the quickest declines a political party has faced in recent times.
    In the 2016 Welsh Assembly election, UKIP won 12.5% of the constituency vote and 13% of the regional vote.
    For the upcoming election, polling data from the Wales Governance Centre puts UKIP on 5%. This is an 8% drop from opinion polls in January, a remarkable decline in such a short amount of time.
    With UKIP voters seemingly moving in their droves to the Conservatives as Theresa May asks for a "strong hand" in Brexit negotiations, it is difficult to see what the party can offer.
    UKIP's entire purpose has been to campaign for the UK to leave the EU - now that this is happening, what else does the party offer?
     
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    The fact is that Muslims are guilty by association; if they didn't worship Islam then Islam wouldn't exist, therefore they only have themselves to blame for getting caught up in it all.
     
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    Americans kill each other with guns in the tens of thousands every year. Where's the outrage over that insanity?
     
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    What a stupid post. Let's blame every Irish person because of IRA atrocities. Yep, that makes sense.
     
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    http://nypost.com/2015/04/09/boston-bombers-mom-us-will-pay-for-my-sons/[/QUOTE]
    why would we be outraged over random violence? That's like getting angry at people dying of old age or in car accidents. Big difference between that and an organized assault by foreign elements on your way of life.
     
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    why would we be outraged over random violence? That's like getting angry at people dying of old age or in car accidents. Big difference between that and an organized assault by foreign elements on your way of life.[/QUOTE]
    So a school massacre doesn't affect anyone's way of life?
     
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    I do believe we class those as terrorism, equal to those of foreign terrorists. We sure as hell don't lose "tens of thousands" every year to attacks of this kind.
     
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    No you don't. If they live those perpetrators are charged with murder, not terrorist related offences.
     
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    In my mind, that's terrorism. Random shootings are not terrorism. I'll get outraged over mass school shootings and bombings. I'm not going to get outraged over domestic violence, gang shootings, or random gunfights. 2 totally different things that are not remotely equal.
     
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    In your mind? Ok, I'll ignore how your laws define these crimes, your security services and police, and rely on your definition in future. Thanks.
     
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    Good. The world will start making a lot more sense to you soon.
     
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    There was nothing else to be expected after the terrible attack in Manchester ...

    All Muslims are evil and potential terrorists, Islam itself is totally evil and everyone who does not renounce this religion is thus a potential terrorist ...
    All of this is stuck with the most idiotic allegations and total half-knowledge (if you call it knowledge at all) about Islam, plus the weak-minded translations and false claims as always.

    Hang all Muslims out or Minimum throw out all Muslims from our countries! Hooray!
    After that, we'll do the same with everyone else that does not suit us!
     
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    LoL again with the IRA crap.
     

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