Can opponents of gay marriage give a single way that it interferes in their lives?

And there goes the 1st Amendment!

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And thus you judge them to be in violation of law because they are religious. There goes the 1st Amendment!

 

The first amendment states you can believe in anyway you wish, and practice in anyway you choose, so long as that practice does not encroach upon thrifts and freedoms of others. Clearly treating gays as less than equal is encroaching upon their rights.

 

That' like my saying that your presence on this planet is not compatible with my freedom of association

Religious freedom means that YOU have the freedom to express your beliefs, to worship as you choose and to live your life according to your religion.

How does gay marriage change that!!??

Religious freedom ALSO means that I may live according to my own moral and ethical principles and the law of the land and ignore your religion and all others.

Religious freedom DOES NOT mean that you get to tell others how thet may live

What-part-of-this-do-you-not-get?

 

If you are in the business of providing a service to the public and cannot provide that service equally to all, you should not be in that business. You cannot discriminate. If we let people like this slid on the basis of religion, how can we justify discriminating on the basis of race or anything else that they don't like? Why should religious beliefs trump laws against discrimination?

Most jurisdictions that allow ssm have a religious exemption for clergy and religious organization so they can't be sued. That's were it ends, as it should be.

 

Says the guy who insists the government license and regulate gay relationships that have never beeen licensed and regulated before.

 

???? uuuuuuhhhh because freedom of religion is a constitutional right. There is no right not to be discriminated against by individuals.

 

Nonsense. Business owners can refuse to serve someone because they dont like their attitude. Because they are ugly, because they dress funny. they can discriminate on any basis they like, just not on the basis of race, sex, religion, national origin, disability and now sexual orientation in some places.

 

No one is telling them how they may live. Merely telling them what they need to do if they want certain tax breaks and governmental entitlements.

 

But they don't need to do anything different

 

Correct, they are held to the same standards as heterosexuals in 35 states. No special treatment for gays just because they think they are special.

 

I can see why some people might have a hard time believing in love. . . .some people are pushing love (and people) away by their negative, sarcastic attitude and their fake "who cares about love" persona.

 

Funny how this number has gone down since you last used that comment, right?

You can expect hat number to shrink further in the next few months and even more in the next few years. . .until the "norm" is TRUE equality for all . . .true choice, not "if you bow to what we want you to do, if you accept to love only people WE feel are appropriate to love, you have as much freedom as we have. . . The choice of ONE. . . The heterosexual "choice!"

Hypocrisy is still alive in 35 states. . . Bur shrinking quickly!

 

They don't get special treatment in any state. They get unequal treatment in 35 states though.

 

Yep- and that number will start shrinking in the next few weeks. Bad time to be a bigot.

 

Umm...no. First amendment rights stop where others' begin. Sorry you hate the US Constitution.

 

Another one of your asinine, baseless assertions. Ever hear of the Civil Rights Act? While that does not include gays as a protected class, many states and local governments have.

 

My wedding ring no longer is evidence I'm straight.
As a single Christian who wished to marry only a devout Christian for love I was often suspected of being gay. I could not counter this by any outward action, produce evidence of past or current lovers, or even do manly things like swear or fight. The few gays I met started flirting and I didn't figure it out for years. Then I started getting suspicious of men who wanted to be my friends. So I had no male friends, rarely a girlfriend and my best relationships were with older married women.
In other words, just by existing on this planet, gays have ruined my life.

 

They still retain the option to not have their relationships licensed and regulated, so do straight people sooo not sure of your point?

 

No CONSTITUTIONAL right.

 

Umm...no. You have ruined your life. All those things you mentioned were choices you made. Especially messing around with married women. That is certainly not the fault of any gay man.

 

In ruling on DOMA, the majority opinion stated: The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and injure those whom the state, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity,” Justice Kennedy wrote. “By seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected than others, the federal statute is in violation of the Fifth Amendment.”

"......law was motivated by a desire to harm gay and lesbian couples and their families, demeaning the “moral and sexual choices” of such couples and humiliating “tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples.”

While the court stopped short of ruling that gays have a constitutional right to marriage in all states, may I point out to you that there are many rights that we take for granted, such as the right to live and work where you choose, that are not in numerated in the Constitution. And, in ruling that gays who are married are entitled to federal benefits, it is clear that they are only a small step away from mandating that gays everywhere be allowed to marry.

 

Doma didnt prohibit gays from marring and the limitations that do are all based upon state law.
Notice how youve abandoned your Civil Rights act argument and moved onto the next. Just keep throwing the (*)(*)(*)(*) up against the wall until you find some that sticks

 

DOMA prohibited recognition of the marriage on a federal level.

 

It never was. Gay people used to get involved in "beard" heterosexual marriages for many years to ape social convention and distract prying eyes.

I'm assumed to be gay every day just because of where I live and who I associate with. Who cares as long as you know yourself?

You could just try saying "I'm not gay" and ignore anyone who won't listen.

Maybe they thought you were hot and available? I'm sure (in fact I know) they get the same thing all the time from straights because of their outward gender appearance but I guess they just learn to say "no thanks, I'm gay" just like you could say "no thanks, I'm straight".

The best counter to suspicion is knowledge. If you think someone's coming onto you just ask. I'm pretty much past my prime now but I've been come on to by the odd gay guy before and just pointed out that it ain't happening. In at least one instance we've gone on to be good friends so anything's possible with a little perseverance.

Some of the best friends I've ever made were people I didn't really like much to start with. I'm sure we still have disagreements and stuff. You sound like you give up too easily.

Maybe they had an expectation of sexual relations with which your religious values didn't comport. Sounds like you eventually found a partner with whom they did so what's the beef?

At one point in my life I venture to say the same thing happened to me

Did you know that somebody killed Bambi?

 

The First Amendment has no such caveat regarding gays.

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But you get to tell others how they may practice their religious beliefs? What gives you that right?