Can sexuality change over time?

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nor have I been so inclined to a male.....But I am familiar with love and it's power over the mind.

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    Yes...I do.
     
  2. sec

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    so, pedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia are mental illnesses but not homosexuality?

    Did I get your assertion?
     
  3. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Homosexuality is a deviation, but not an illness. Necrophilia, paedophilia and beastiality, on the other hand, are obviously severe and disgusting mental illnesses that can be cured.
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    No matter how close I get to a male, I never feel even the slightest attraction to him. Nor sexual neither romantic. I think that is only the case if you are bisexual or not entirely straight/entirely homosexual.

    According to the Kinsey scale there are 8 sexualities
    1. Exclusively straight
    2. Predominantely hetero
    3. Incidentally homosexual
    4. Equally/bisexual
    5. Incidentally hetero
    6. Predominantely homosexual
    7. Exclusively homo
    8. Asexual


    Only if you fall into groups 2-6 can you be attracted to "anyone". I support this idea and according to my Kinsey test, I fall into group one (validity can be questioned of course as confirmation bias might affect your result).
     
  5. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The thing is...everyone is different and does not think or react as you and I.

    Especially when emotions take hold.
     
  6. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Yes, everyone is different. Some are attracted to "anyone" and some of us are very fixed in terms of who we are attracted to. That was my point all along.
     
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    that is interesting

    How do you propose to "cure" a person who is "born a pedophile" or "born a necrophile" ?

    Do you also suggest that we should cure those who are "born homosexual" ?
     
  8. Ritter

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    You are not born paedophile.
     
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    Maybe. Not sure. I suppose someone could become so bored with their sex lives that they change things up. Sexual behaviors at least are subject to change for many people. How that relates to sexual preference might be a point of disagreement.
     
  10. ChrisL

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    I don't know. I think I've heard of people experimenting with 3-somes or whatever and they end up falling for the "other person" involved who is of the same sex.
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    These people most likely fall outside the "exclusively heterosexual"-spectrum on the Kinsey scale. An exclusively hetersexual could never fall in love/be sexually attracted to someone of the same sex and the same applies to exlusivey homosexual people.
     
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    Well, maybe they enjoyed the sex during their threesome? And what about guys in prison?
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Then they weren't straight in the first place. :)

    Guys in prison is a different matter. There the behaviour is to be regarded more as something dog-like where men hump someone to show them who is alpha. It is about power and about making the victim feel inferior.
     
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    But how can they do it if they aren't homosexuals? :) What if someone isn't attracted to the same sex, but they would do it for only the sexual experience? Gay or maybe just sexually adventurous? Who's to say? People can be complicated.
     
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    No idea. I am not a bloody psychologist! :laughing:
     
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    Maybe that is a field you should consider getting into, given your interest in human nature, etc.? :)
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    My merits are not good enough to enter that field. At least not at a decent university. However, I already followed my interest in human nature by getting a degree in cultural anthropology. :)
     
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    Yeah, but that sounds kind of boring. :D
     
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    Gives you new perspectives. Quite interesting actually. I agree that traditional cultural/social anthropological research about tribes and such is a little boring. But nowadays alot of fieldwork is being done "at home" too. :)
     
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    I'm just joking. :) I wouldn't know if it's boring or not.
     
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    one is not born a pedophile or a necrophile?

    Is one born homosexual?
     
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    Depends how you look at it. Surely, not anyone can just become paedophile or necrophile over night. There might be genetic aspects to it (receptivity and other kinds of weak genes), but paedophilia and necrophilia are not really sexualities. Note that they do not have the -sexual suffix. It is very complex and I am not sure what to say. I can say that it is not fair at all to compare necrophilia and whatnot to homosexuality though.

    Definitely. Don't you think?

    What kind of sick point are you trying to make anyways?
     
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    and thus why your agenda won't fly

    Despite ZERO medical proof, you wish to state that one is "born homosexual" but do not offer the same faith to being "born a pedophile or necrophile"

    Perhaps you find necrophilia and pedophilia to be abhorant but did you ever stop and think that there are those who find gay-sex to also be unacceptable?

    Why is it "homophobia" to disagree with the gay lifestyle yet it's not "necrophobia" to disagree with people who do it with dead bodies?

    Why is gay-sex acceptable but other forms of deviant sex are unacceptable?

    You went down the bunny hole and now I'm looking for you to explain why a lifestyle with absolutely ZERO medical proof to being "born that way" is OK with you but 2 other lifestyles are not OK with you

    And on the flip side, if your agenda is to have faith that one is "born homosexual" then you must have the same faith for every other lifestyle. If not, your hypocrisy is revealed.

    Do you believe that one can be "born into the wrong body" or in other words, transgender? If so, then do you believe that one can be born the wrong species or perhaps one can identify as an 8 year old little girl?
     
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    Agenda?

    I can try to find my sources for that if you want, but I think tnere is not really a need for it since you won't bother reading tne reports anyways. There is medical research concluding sexuality is decided in the womb.

    Additionally I never really excluded the possibility of necrophilia and paedophilia being genetic, scroll back up and re-read my points. All I really said was that it is wrong to assign paedophilia and necrophilia the status of sexualities because they are not - I assume necrophiles and pedos have their sexual preferences too i.e they are either straight (only like kids/corpses of opposite sex), gay (only like kids/corpses of same sex) or bi (like kids/corpses of both sexes).

    Nevertheless. This is a topic about sexuality thus necrophilia etc has no place in this topic. If you are interested in that you are free to open your own thread.

    DId I ever say anything that would indicate I do not know these people exist?

    This is an interesting topic for some but personally, it is not for me. Perhaps there already are anthropological/sociological survies about this? I know Foucault kind of touched the question in his work. Read him if you are intetested.

    The youth fraction of Swedish Liberal Party actually very recently suggested necrophilia should be legalised. :laughing:

    I believe it has to do with consent. Shocker, right? Adults can give consent, kids and dead people cannot. Simple as that.

    And the explanation you have gotten. :D

    What do you mean? I believe in structure/environment too, but biology must not be underrated.

    One can be born transgender, yes. That too has to do with hormonal and chemical imbalance.

    Being born in the wrong species or other psychpathic stuff is a no though.
     
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    Hope you are enjoying dem apples! :D
     

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