Can sexuality change over time?

in other words, if it's icky to you then it's unacceptable

gay sex is OK with you so people must be born that way

Sex with little kids disgusts you so there is no way one can be "born a pedophile"

a man who claims to identify as a woman is OK with you so they are born that way

a woman who identifies as a cat is not OK with you so that's a mental illness

A man who identifies as an 8 year old girl is not OK so that man must also have a mental illness


your hypocrisy is showing

 

An adult having sex with a child is wrong because it's cold abuse. Your dishonesty is glaring.

 

You interpret my posts like the devil does the Bible.

Are you going to come with a valid counter-argument to prove the opposite or are you just going to act all hysterical?

OK. I now see you are one of those Bible thumbing, zealous wackoos who want gay sex illegalised because you equate homosexuality to paedophilia. "God's word!" Ugh. If you don't have any arguments just be quiet.

He is not hurting anyone, is he?

A human is a human always. Chemical imbalance is a real thing that may cause gender confusion. However, a cat is not human, that kind of confusion falls way beyond the biological spectrum and is solely a case of psychological issues. It cannot be explained with E and T levels.

Did I hit a nerve? You want me to call you pumpkin? Daisy? How is school?

Nah, m8. You're just not intelligent enough to base reasoning on logic. You are waaaaaay too emotional, maybe you are a woman in the wrong body?

 

typical, when your flawed logic is shot full of holes then you revert to insults.

You insist that one is "born homosexual" despite there being no medical test to confirm your belief. You will not display that same level of suport or faith for other sexual deviancies except one who claims to be in the wrong body. You toe the line with the current agenda of support for sexual deviancy.

If per your own reasoning one can be "born homosexual" then why can't one be "born pedophile"? Your logic of insisting on something despite ZERO proof cannot justify your selective support. Logic demands that if you support one sexual deviancy then you must support them all given the reasoning you offer for supporting "homosexuals and transgenders"

why should you doubt this man that he is a 6 year old girl? Why do you feel that he needs to be cured yet those who have gay-sex do not need to be cured?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/meet-the-52-year-old-father-who-identifies-a-6-year-old-girl/

HYPERLINK above will take you to meet the 6 year old girl

 

There is medical proof supporting that one is born homosexual. In fact the proof says it is even decided before you are born.

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Again. I never said one cannot be born pedo. It might be genetic too is what I said however this thread is about sexual orientation and not about paedophilia which is a sexual preference at most. If you want to discuss paedophilia you can start a thread about it.

I still do not get what point you are trying to make. You believe sexuality is entirely environmental? In that case, can homosexuality be "cured"? Can someone straight be "converted"?

Why should people who engage in gay-sex be cured but not people who engage in straight-sex be?

You are just way to obsessed what consenting adults do in the bedroom imo. Disgusting.

 

more theory

there is no medical test to confirm the belief of "born gay"

that leaves it as a choice and yes environment could play a role in that and I firmly believe in that theory as to why a small % choose the gay lifestyle over heterosexual. The high rate of attempts at and successful suicides among sexual deviants also supports your theory of mental illness and that includes those living the gay lifestyle as falling under the category of mental illness. Not all mental illnesses are debilitating.

 

Hmmm..

OK then. I order you to choose to be gay for a day and while you are at it, the next day you choose to be a paedophile.

It is not a fecken choice! It goes against biology to make such a choice; why would a member of any species voluntarily choose to kill (homos cannot reproduce) his own kin? Makes no sense.

Homosexuality is not a mental illness.

 

Homosexuality cannot be both a choice and a mental illness.
You just throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks.

Please prove you were born heterosexual - or whatever you identify as...

Even if homosexuality was 100% a conscious decision there is still no reason to deny them rights or civil liberties.

 

Some people think the term "theory" is equal in science to the phrase "wild ass guess." Of course this is only the case when it suits their political agenda. "Cafeteria intellectualism" is what I call it.

You can't rationalize this with people. They want to believe it's a choice in order to either justify their disapproval of it or to convince themselves that they're not in fact homosexual that they can just choose to be straight. No amount of science will convince them otherwise. Some people have rejected the science that the earth is spherical. They go through great lengths to invent elaborate absurd conspiracies to explain away the science. While these conspiracies are utter nonsense the people that believe them must to protect their core belief, either that the world is disc shaped, or that evolution didn't occur or something like that. [MENTION=6512]sec[/MENTION] is no exception. He has fabricated this conspiracy of people that control science through some means he had never defined and some how this conspiracy of people squelch any science that says homosexuality is a choice. He has absolutely told himself this. I dint know if he believes it.

Him and others like him call this conspiracy the "gay agenda" which is a misnomer because they are talking about a cabal, or a shadow government, or at the very least a clandestine government faction like the KGB or the Third Reich's SS.

All of this elaborate fantasy so they can believe their god both wrote the bible and isn't as primitive as iron aged Jewish tribes that concocted the stories in the bible.

They aren't rational, there is no use in using reason with them. It's like seeing a train you know is going to wreck, it hurts to even think about it but your just an observer and you can't stop it. That's actually a good analogy, these people are human train wrecks, all you can do is stand and watch and tell others how not to do that.

This further illustrates my point above. There is a dueality in sec's post. Just in this post alone it's a mental illness and it's a choice. We know people don't choose to be mentally ill. So this must be the only mental illness that is chosen defying all logic and reason. A mental illness that was chosen would just be a bad choice and all you'd have to do to avoid it is choose something different. So there would really be no psychosis. I digress I don't really need to explain this to you. My point is, the cause of homosexuality with people like sec jumps around. At one point it is the way you were raised, perhaps homosexuality is just the coping of childhood sexual abuse, or they're possessed by a demon, lack of proximity to heterosexual authority figures, proximity to homosexual or atypical authority figures, missing a parent in the home, mental illness akin to addiction, mental illness akin to paranoia. Pretty much anything we can come up with to suggest that homosexuality is a trait that a person can have removed or cured. Sec has used every single one of those causes, and he uses them interchangeably even though they aren't.

Grasping at straws.

 

He can't prove that people choose the mental illness/environment induced/chosen lifestyle/demonic possession of homosexuality because the global gay conspiracy stomps out any science that suggests otherwise. Or they discredit scientists that have a confirmation bias agai...um did unbiased research that suggests homosexuality is a lifestyle choice of victims of child sexual abuse.

If you find any flaw at all wroth that argument than you are either fooled by the conspiracy or you are part of it.

 

Interesting but you claim that pedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia are mental illnesses.

You assert that a man who identifies as a woman is not a mental illness but a man who identifies as a 6 year-old girl does have a mental illness or a girl who identifies as a cat has a mentla illness

I understand that gay-sex may well be personal to you and nobody is looking to deny you from having as much or as little as you want.

It's simply quite entertaining watching the gyrations within this subsection as you apply your logic only for gay-sex but not for other deviant sex.

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Interesting but you claim that pedophilia, bestiality and necrophilia are mental illnesses.

You assert that a man who identifies as a woman is not a mental illness but a man who identifies as a 6 year-old girl does have a mental illness or a girl who identifies as a cat has a mentla illness

I understand that gay-sex may well be personal to you and nobody is looking to deny you from having as much or as little as you want.

It's simply quite entertaining watching the gyrations within this subsection as you apply your logic only for gay-sex but not for other deviant sex.

 

You go from it being a choice to a mental illness in one post. You telling anybody that they are gyrating is blatant hypocrisy.

 

Prove me wrong.

I have already told you that there is proof suggesting transgemderism is the result of chemical and hormonal imbalance in the body and brain. I even gave you a link to an article supporting this claim.

Ad hominem.

If you actually bothered reading my posts you'd know I am very secure in my hetereosexuality. You seem quite insecure though.

Quit making a fool out of yourself.

 

When your failed logic is exposed, insults are all that you have.

You are not the first to try the failed logic and will not be the last. Again, I and most everyone else could care less how or with whom you have sex. The issue is and continues to be to act as if engaging in gay-sex is akin to race (how one is born) despite there being no medical test to prove it. When the new justice(s) take the bench at the SCOTUS the Constitution shall be reinstated. The same will be with the nonsensical DoE withholding funds if boys are not allowed to shower with girls.

An as an aside, why is it an insult to assume that you engage in gay sex? Do you find those who have gay-sex to be icky and less of human beings? Your posts suggest that and if you do engage in gay-sex then your posts also suggest self-hatred.

I have no animus toward those who choose the gay lifestyle and some of my donations go toward funding programs which help those who wish to recover from the addiciton to gay sex as well as other addictions.

 

The only failed logic that will ever be exposed is that of a better man than yourself.

In that case there is nothing proving one is born straight either? Sounds like utter garbage to me. I have already provided you with medical evidence suggesting one is born gay but I am not surprised this completely went over your mind. Not one bit.

I do not see what the big deal is, how does it hurt you if some people are born gay? Besides you are not really sticking to the main question. Go back to page one and read my OP.

what

Your reading interpretation is shayte, m8.

You still have not been able to prove or suggest why " the gay lifestyle" would be a choice. I gave you a scientific theory supporting my claims of it being genetic and you cannot even provide a subjective justification for your claim. Lmao.

 

IMO, from observation & logic, is that sexuality is attributed to everyone at birth. You were born with the DNA that defined your sexuality. That seems to be a scientifically, observable reality.

The attempts to make it into some kind of choice are merely delusions. You were born either male or female, & that is your gender, regardless of what you might 'prefer'. You might wish you were born a kitty, or into a rich family, or with the ability to breathe underwater with gills, or fly.. but those are fantasies, not reality. You were born with your gender at birth, & there is no getting away from it. Even altering your physical appearance or mutilating yourself does not change your genetic gender.

 

THIS.

I suppose people who argue homosexuality is choice must also believe heterosexuality is a choice or else their logic fails badly. And if it is the case that sexuality is a choice then it means everyone is naturally bisexual. Lol.

 

The greatest irony in all this is that sec tries to depict me as some kind of social constructivist SJW whereas introducting himself as some kind of "rational anti cultural marxist". However, what sec does not realise is that when denies genetic and biological aspects of gender and sexuality he is in fact being a gender studies loving bio-denialist.

 

That's a narrow personal view; science doesn't generally support it.

There is so much more complexity to human sexuality than you reflect in your commentary.

 

I should clarify that this is about gender at birth, which is different from 'sexual preference'. That is a different subject. But the actual, scientific gender of each person is set at birth. That is a scientific fact.

Any psychological arguments about 'sexual preference' are something else, & not really what i was addressing.

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hardly. Gender is assigned at birth. That is a scientific fact. You know your gender from the order of the chromosomes.

 

Well duuuuh. Of course gender is assigned at birth (even before, technically speaking). The question is why would not the same apply to sexuality?

Hormones and chemicals are real. There are diffefences between baby boys and baby girls just like there are differences between gays and straights. Simple MRI scans can prove this fact.

 

I don't dispute that. I only differentiate between the obvious, genetic differences between the genders, & the psychological aspects of homosexuality. I do not see a genetic or physiological 'reason' for the various sexual preferences, only psychological ones. But those are real factors, as is evidenced in the world today.

 

Sexuality is linked to prenatal hormonal development. Sexuality is all and only about chemicals and hormones. If a baby does gets small amounts of certain hormones, odds are pretty high the offspring will turn out to be gay.

There are studies proving that a mother who is exposed to alot of stress during pregnancy is more likely to give birth to a homosexual baby (stress reduces production of whatever hormones).

 

I'm sure there are a lot of theories.. .and there are. I don't really care, & lump them all under 'psychological' arguments. I don't see any compelling scientifically based studies that can explain homosexuality, or 'sexual preference' leanings. Anyone can source a study that 'proves!' their belief system, & they do. But if you critically examine the study, it is mostly opinion & extrapolations, not hard science. So until other evidence that is more compelling comes in, i will stick with gender based sexuality, & any aberrations as being psychological.

I think this is your argument as well, though you seem to give credence to some theories about a source of homosexuality. I'm not sure you can make a scientific conclusion about this kind of theorizing. It is mostly spinning the data to fit the assumptions.. a popular past time of pseudo scientists who love to alter the methodology of science.

 

Ask men who are in prison.