Can The Mods Undertake Action Against The Wave Of Islamist Threads?!

Because you say so ...

You ahve addressed no sources, your only source is jihad watch - and everything else is stupid or biased - but neither you - with all your teenagerish expertise and insults, nor jihad watch are biased sources?

And teh accusations continue to fly.

Islamophobes = flame baiting trolls.

And this is the best they got in terms of supporting their ... case.

We need to expose everyone to a bunch of stupid, baseless, chronically dishonest accusations do we? (Its free speech apparently?)

Where are the posters who were so concerned about insults now? Bias indeed.

 

More backpedaling. You've painted yourself into a corner, and now you are trying desperately to weasel out.

You supplied quotes that did not show me calling anybody a terrorist. No amount of lying will change that. You made a claim, and when pressed to back up your claim, you proved yourself wrong. You're too prideful to admit you were wrong. Typical leftist tactics.

I only called you two of those, I believe, and I can justify the use of both of them, so they are not groundless attacks like your "Nazi" accusations.

Not offended, at all. I'm simply pointing out how you were wrong. I asked you to show anything that lends evidence to your claim that I am somehow a neo-Nazi, and you've been flailing ever since. You can't back up anything you say. You're a poor debater.

What "blatant accusations of criminal conduct" are you referring to? I've called you a terrorist sympathizer, yes. You support Hamas, a terrorist organization.

The "insults" I've given are my observations, which are explained easily. I consider you to be a fascist for wanting to silence dissenting opinions about this topic, and I consider you a terrorist sympathizer for sympathizing with a terrorist organization. What other insults do you feel are unwarranted? I'll explain them, as well, if you like.

Sounds like you're referring to yourself.

You're on the side of the Islamoapologists, so it's not a big shock that you find them to be a more civil group. From my perspective, you have been the biggest trolling offender in this thread, as evidenced by Liebbe calling you out for hypocritically complaining about personal attacks, while freely dispensing them yourself. I've lost track of how many times I've pointed out your hypocrisy, so far. Other people are seeing it, though, rest assured.

 

Muslim (19:4294) ""If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

Quran 9:29 "Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"

There is no rule in this country that states that Muslims cannot run the country, so your analogy falls right on its face. In fact, Obama has Muslims in his Administration. There are Muslim congressman like Keith Ellison, for example, and others. Contrast this with the Middle East, where non-Muslims can't hold power over Muslims.

 

Oh look, yet another animosity laced diatribe that discusses absolutely nothing.

The idea that you are defending the use of tactic that you have clearly used and a simple proximity search confirms, taht you accuse others of being terrorist for saying I support Hamas, and now, you accuse no one of doing it?

Trolls.

I support this, I am doing it, I am not doing and you are liar, anyone who wants to block this hates free speech, I support it, I am doing it .... and on and on and on ...

It's simple: Calling people terrorists is wrong, and your childish denials of it only confirm that assessment.

Mods, please amend the rules to reflect the consensus that calling people terrorists is an infractable offense.

 

Never been to a Muslim country, and once again, a non-contextual list of single verses. What period of the Koran were those rules issued? Why?

Can you explain to me how Christians are the center of charitable activity if they are forced to submit in Muslim countries?

Why would we not respect local customs and traditions? Which is major part of the military training we give guys, and, shock, training that other countries give their guys before sending them to us?

News flash, I worked with people from Muslim countres where the I have worked with Suna, Shia, Kurd, and Christian officers in the same outfit.

Somehow though, two sentences that contradict other sentences (left off by you - of course) and no thought or attempt to work through the contradiction, ignoring local Shura, and traditions, and viola ... expertise through non-reading, and quick proximity searches.

None of this matters, does anyone want to place bets on whether or not I am called an uneducated liar? Anyone?

 

First you say this:

then go on to post this:

Either you are intentionally trying to be funny, or are so beyond clueless as to be laughed off as psychotic.

You are actually trying to compare the situation in most arab muslim/muslim nations where there are racist laws on the books preventing jews and christians from owning land, voting or running for office to the West? Are you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidding?

And then you add to the idiocy with this drivel:

You are out of yr (*)(*)(*)(*)ing mind.

Your lunatic post should be first reading for every moron who believes that such a thing as a "moderate" muslim exists, because if you are what passes for moderate, I can only begin to imagine an extremist.

BTW, I'd like to see you mention to the muslim fascists permeating this forum who claim israel is a "racist, apartheid state" while ignoring how much worse the arab muslim/muslim nations are - which you just admitted.

What is hilarious is how, while you admit the muslim nations have obscene laws, you're actually trying to defend them under the guise of some moronic notion of sovereignty. Just hilarious.

 

I didn't accuse you of being a terrorist. I accused you of being sympathetic towards their cause, which you have exhibited in a number of ways that I have already pointed out.

Your continuing avoidance of my rebuttals has shown you to be the loser in this exchange. I promise not to rub it in your face too harshly.

There is no "general consensus". You are arguing that the mods restrict the ability to people to voice their opinions and are asking them to change the rules for you and some of your Islamoapologist allies. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are on the side of consensus.

 

The fact that he/she even tried to defend and explain away the practice is lunacy.

And you're correct, he makes relentless personal attacks and insults, then accuses you of doing the same - straight out of ahmadinejad's playbook. Sadly, he is emblematic of the low quality of poster on this forum, which is clearly encouraged by the admins.

 

Most of the Qur'anic quotes that deal with dominating the infidel come from the 9th Sura, which was the last revealed book to Muhammad, according to the fairy tale. Thanks to the Qur'anic concept of abrogation, the books last revealed are to take precedence over the earlier books, the latter of which contain the more "peaceful" verses that apologists like to throw out. Verses like "no compulsion in religion" are abrogated and forceful conversion scriptures, like some of the ones I've pointed out, are to be most relevant to Muslims from now until Doomsday.

There are very few Christians left in Muslim countries. They are being killed and driven out at a genocidal rate.

They can keep their local customs and traditions. I just want it the hell out of my country. I will never accept Sharia. No aspect, no matter how trivial. I want it delegitimized and criticized as the backward, barbaric system of lunacy that it is.

So what?

I'm not claiming to be an expert, unlike you. I feel like I know more about this stuff than you, judging by what I've seen so far, though. You've given nothing that a loyal MSNBC watcher couldn't regurgitate, so far.

I think my previous labels work fine, for now.

 

He's clearly taking a page out of the Palestinian's playbook.... start a bunch of ****, and then whine about being victimized when someone responds. I suspect his purpose in this thread, at this point, is to try and get us to engage him in namecalling and flamebaiting, so that he has enough evidence to report us to the moderators.

Classic trolling and flamebaiting. Don't be tricked by this guy.

 

Wow, we are talking about bigotry and .. priests in Muslim countries that I have worked with that are not subjected to routine abuse, but are central to charitable works in these heavily Muslim countries ... which of course you have been to.

You know what slick ... I too can rip two totally unrelated statements out of context and call you an idiot. Not sure that helps a productive debate.

You have no intent to debate and are just another serial maligner.

How about you pay more attention to what your own team mates are saying for a change?

In the mean time slow down a bit, bite your tounge and make an actual logical statement.

 

Oh look another spurious accusation.

Not flame baiting or trolling though, no sir, not that ... these are not the droid you are looking for mods ...

another stellar logical arguement - all you have to do to be abused is say, "I think there is a moderate form of Islam."

Even worse, when you have actually worked with these moderate Muslims to cahse down and kill very real terrorists .... well, then you become the devil himself. Of course, as they continue to make accusations like the one above, they are of course not making these kinds pointed personal attacks in the slightest.

And everyone but them are totally off target here.

Like I said, the forum has a trolling problem.

 

Most of the Koran deals with the Prophet, who was dead by the 9the Century. The first part (though not listed chronologically), deals with his efforts in Mecca and looks much like teh New Testament (albeit with some key differences), the second part deals with the flight to Medina na dthe subsequent attack by Pagans and all out war. It looks an awful lot like the Old Testament.

So, indeed, our Islamic scholar here is literally making crap up.

The other major text, BTW, are the Hadith. Sura are judgements from religious leaders.

Of course, no one converted in the slightest. Christians of course, were not violent in the slightest.

Seriously? You are worried about this? Are there any bills before Congress taht will effect this change?

Guess where Sharia is making a come back? I areas where there is no legal system and is dominated by warlords and corrupt gvernment where bribery rather than justice rule the day.

The alternative that you offer? No where.

So, they are not all banished to the gutters.

Yes you are, you are claiming I am an uneducated bafoon. Glad to see you are finally acknowledging that you are no expert, hence maybe you should shut your yap and listen rather than dictate for a change.

Let me know when MSNBC starts walking patrols with us. Still at least MSNBC has the pretense of objectivity, unlike jihad watch.

Notice the accusation sans proof? Teh utter failure to deal with either the experience or the academic sources provided? And of course, he is no expert to pass judgement - and yet does anyway.

Just no one else's? Right.

 

I'm of Turkish origin superstar, and if you are muslim you are an embarrassment to muslims.

All I've seen you do here and around the forum is insult those you disagree with.

You make a stupid claim that non-muslims in muslim-sovereign countries should accept second-class status and try to justify it, and then refuse to engage when called on it. Then you accuse those who do call you on it names and trolls. Its an obvious sign of immaturity, grow up.

Like moon's relentless anti-jewish threads?

How about you actually engaging in what people are saying to you, instead of insulting them? Are you able to?

 

Oh look another personal pot shot.

Apparently, if I am not swaggering around threatening to kill people at the drop of hat I would be a bad Muslim in your book?

Too bad I spelled out my religion in this thread, and you were simply to lazy to read it.

Just another abusive poster.

Once again, it is not my fault that you are too lazy to read and need to resot to one pot shot after another.

You take a good hard look at what you are writing stud.

Nope, I said they should accept the soverignty of local governments that happen to be Muslim and make sure they respect local customs and traditions - just like everywhere else in the world. (Of course, in the previous sentence we learned that I am not actually making any statement at all - thus this entire premise is ... outside teh time-space continum).

Only a serial troll would so badly misrepresent that statement.

Funny, I disagreed with moon last night. After two posts, he acknoweldged that he was getting personal and stopped.

Perhaps, just maybe, his behavior is the result of the serial abuse he has taken from the lot of you?

Sometimes when you walk around kicking people - they kick back. Remember that the next time you scream victim and take a good hard look at yourself.

Unfortunately, I can only engage you with what you present - and that is bunch of tawdry accusations and pot shots.

My experience in the region, in chasing down terrorists, teh referrences from Academia have all been rebutted by - YOU SUPPORT HAMAS AND ARE THUS A TERRORIST!!!!

But I am not calling you a terrorist.

How about you attempt to make a logical arguement and muzzle the BS. If you can.

But, same question, when you have to stop insulting people - what are you left with?

THe answer, for yet another rabid, foaming mounthed Islamophobe is ... nothing.

So let me give you some unsolicted advice, even though we are not political allies, it would be best for you to stop posting in this thread and embarssing yourself.

We clear about the strength of your arguementation thus far?

 

I'm clear about it. YOU (Mr. Not at all Neutral, AKA MR QUIZ ZERO) should stop posting in this thread (and probably most other threads as well), and stop making a complete idiot out of yourself. Hmmm. Actually, you've already done that 100 times over. Well, no need to go for 101.

 

Hmmm ... one trick pony seems upset for some reason?

I wonder why, because just last night when speil gave the EXACT SAME advice, he was all for it? Seems odd that he would be upset about it tonight?

Oh wait, its just like I claimed, the EXACT SAME THING when done to them is a horror! Horror I tell you! But when they do it? Just fine - whatchu talkin' about Willis!?!

So numerous are the insults and invective from the Islamotrolls that they cannot even keep track of who is calling whom what!

 

Question was : >>> (Originally Posted by Brewskier)
"He's asked you to back up your claims against Jihadwatch (as did I), and all you can do is point to unsourced "rebuttals" made by other people?"

And I notice that you completely sidestep the challenge about JihadWatch, and completely FAIL to address the challenge by changing the subject to your alleged "field experience" (because we don't know if you ever spent 1 day in the "field experience" you claim). Challenge still remains. What evidence do you have to support your (so far UNBASED) claim that JihadWatch is "bigoted" and "biased". Note : changing the subject (AKA Cut and Run) doesn't suffice.

Yeah, you listed YOUR sources. LOL. Only problem with that is, the challenge wasn't about YOUR sources, it was about Jihadwatch. You clearly HAVE NO ANSWER to the challenge, and it's as clear as a bell. You're as PHONY as a 3 dollar bill. LOL.

 

No actually I rebutted your specific foot note case that resulted in six people being charged with supporting Hamas financially - which breaks American Law - not International Law - and then only after several of the witnesses in the ORIGINAL TRAIL were exposed as Israeli agents. That is certainly not the creeping stealth jihad you talk about is it?

Who is ignoring what?

Now, would you care to take a look at Hamas's actual budget? With 30,000 civil servants on the pay roll alone in Gaza ... that is a hefty sum of cash right there. COnstruction and normal actions of governance, etc.

Now, as I have also elluded to earlier screamer, how is that we co-opted the Madhi Army? Might there be some lessons to learn there?

OMG, I just realized that Israel just released money to the Palestinian authority!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15964983

And Hamas and th PLO just signed a reconcilliation deal!!!

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/04/2011427152119845721.html

OMG!!!!! ISREAL SUPPORTS TERRORISM!!!!! Am I ... Am I supposed to call the FBI now?

Now do we see how silly this is?

 

We are not talking about local customs genius, we are talking about laws on the books against certain religions and races. Are you able to understand the difference, or should we expect another infantile insult/thread derailment from you?

You were asked if you complained about his and other's relentless anti-israel/anti-jewish threads.

More blame the victim nonsense, and his thread-making dates way, way back.

Advice you yourself need to follow.

 

That's funny, I most certainly was.

I am glad that you think you have the authority to tell anyone what they can and cannot say on a forum.

The scripture from the Koran means that outside religions accept their rule, that's it. Just like a Muslim going to france has to take the Hijab off whether they want to or not.

France is right to ask, when in Rome ... Muslims are evil. We gotcha.

I was asked about moon.

Stop changing goal posts.

The numbers were already cruched for you, they are not the same number. Deal with reality please.

Pot calling itself black again?

I thought I already told you? I do not take advice from bullies. Stop giving me advice. You are in charge of nothing - not even your own emotions. Are we clear?

 

As we can see above, the behavior issues are easily demonstrated in the forum.

 

That is supposed to be debate?

That came out of the blue and was just dumped into the middle of a conversation, followed by a warning for said (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)r about how others are attempting to illicite emotional responses to report them?

Its a troll problem.

 

Word of warning to anyone conversing with Neutral... he is trying to bait people into returning insults in the hopes that he can report them to moderators. Even though the post that he quoted contained no personal attacks, he reported it to a mod as a personal attack. Don't fall for his game of flamebaiting. Just ignore him. A few of us are spreading the word.

 

But,but I'm always a sucker