Catalonian Parliament votes to move towards speedy independence

I'm really very sory, I don't understand what you mean; could you rephrase it, please?

 

First, Spain may boycott; and it's an important client for Catalogna...
Then, Merkel is unhappy about that: http://elpais.com/elpais/2015/09/01/inenglish/1441101777_647711.html

That's a bite right; but it may not be a good attitude... If it happen to Spain, it can happen in another country of Europe.

That's a little what our governement is making now in France (completely stupid), creating new "bigs regions" to make them in an "European size" (no one region is agree to mix, except the high Nomandy and the low Normandy... What a success ...): no need to make the region independant.

I don't know how is the mentality about that in UK... I personnaly would be very sorry to see a part of France became independant, and I would feel really painful if it was my region and that I had to choice between it and my country. But all that is probably linked with the country's history, etc, etc...

 

I don't think that an independent Catalonia will be better off economically and other than the economic issues there really is no benefit.
If Catalan's are so adamant then Madrid should consider creating cantons.

There's a similar issue in the UK; independence with no point.

 

Can't make it any easier than what I have done already.

You said Europe objects to the splitting up of nations but have offered no proof. On the contrary, I gave you examples of Europeans splitting up with absolutely no objection from Europe. On that basis there can be no problem with Catalunya splitting off from Spain.

 

germany will not boycott an Independent Catalunya, indeed no one else will care apart from some Goose stepping Spanish nationanalists

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Catalunya would almost ceratinly be better off. It is the wealthiest part of the Peninuslar

 

That doesn't mean that it will be economically better off.

 

NATO now wants Montenegro to become a member.
Obviously, no one in Europe objects to independence movements.


Catalonians were among the most ardent anti-fascists during the 1930s and 40s. They deserve their freedom.

 

So you just did.

All the independances you cited have been made in a time where the European Union did not exist, or, not in the form it now have. Now, the stades are very linked, no one have will find an interest in the instability that the independance of Catalunia will made.

 

We don't know. I think they will neither boycott, neither don't... I mean, they may reffuse Catalunia to join European Union, for exemple (maybe it would be a good thing for them...).

Why is Catalunya wealthiest?: It depend a lot of their commercial links with Spain... So, if they spite with Spain, they may not be as rich as they now are...

 

And what proof do you have that ''instability'' will result?

I see none from the existence of a free Montenegro or Slovenia.

 

NATO does not represent only Europe, the EU may not follow them.
Then, Montenegro is a tiny country, who will not destabilise Europe, and who isn't already member of UE, it's not similar for Catalunya.

What a nice mentality!! So, you divise the word between the "nice" people and the "evil" people, the first deserve freedom and the other can still wait?
Are you one of those who want to punish the germans of nowdays for what their ancestors done in the WWII?
That's completly unfair to judge the value of a country like that...

 

Montenegro is a tiny country. For Slovenia, this stade have been created after that the Yougoslavia have been destroy... We shall expect Spain will not to be destroy, I don't think it will be a nice thing for Europe, really...
Spain is a big country in Europe, if the enconomy of this country is detroy, it would be a real disaster. The cases are differents.

 

The only country that would refuse Catalunya entry is Spain. germany wouldn;t care. You don't see Germany demanding that Austria rejoins them

 

I refuse Catalonia Independent status.

 

CataluÑa is a spanish region, wasnt a former independent country, the right of self-determination doesnt exist in spanish constitution and the majory of spanish people living in cataluña are not agree with the idea of be separated from Spain, so .... what do you think will happen??

 

The fact that Spain reffuse is the important point.
Spain got more support than Catalunya, it's an old country, with a culture known around the word, bigger and richest than Catalunya... If people have to support one of the two, they will choice Spain. So, if Spain order to "punish" the new stade of Catalunya, everybody will follows them, that's logic.

 

Prove to me that Catalunya's freedom is, somehow, going to destroy Spain.

 

Yes Its essentially Aragon, It doesn;t matter what the Spanish constitution says and clearly the majority of people in catalunya do want independence

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People outside Spain will support spain because they ate bigger and richer? I don;t think so. No one will follow Spain because the Spanish government behaves like (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s.

 

Prove me it won't.

Then, I didn't say it was going to destroy Spain, I just said that the fact Slovenia became independant haven't been a great deal for Yougoslavia.

 

Yes, I'm sure everybady around the world will be like: "Whow... Spanish governement is so evil, he want Spain's constitution to be respected!..."

Spain is more revelant than Catalonia, this is a fact. Countries had more interest to support Spain.

 

The former Soviet bloc and the former Yugoslavia are all doing quite well once they got their freedom. This is what Catalunya and Spain will enjoy as well.

 

Balls!!!

Russia has a massive dependency on Natural fuel resources as an economic resource (that Catalonia does not have) and they are now suffering from a massive drop in commodity resource prices ( and not for the first time, you could argue that the collapse of the USSR was due to a slump in Oil prices of the late 1980s) Catalonia has no Oil.!!!!

Yugoslavia went through a terrible civil war, maybe you want Catalonia to do the same. And since then none of the individual Republics are prospering to any great extent.

But maybe you were either just joking in your post?

 

once they were granted their freedom they prospered - that's my point

now they are members of NATO

 

Spain is already a member of NATO, so by definition so is Catalonia.

What is your point?

 

This is differents countries, in a different period. We can't say that everything will be OK for Spain thanks this exemple.