Changing China: Xi Jinping's effort to return to socialism

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a bunch of made up nonsense ... then you repeat back to me what I told you .. claiming it was not reported. Try reading what you reply to.

    Stats from india have over 60% from antibody testing -

    Since the official figure is over 60% - and you claim 70% and rage 25 to 30 times official figure .. obviously you are way off the farm.

    They have comparisons between cities -- ones that got the kits and ones that didn't .. death rate went down with kits . but, it is not like india is the only place .. Mexico city is another example .. and they did very good data tracking .. There are doctors who have done the same in the US .. claiming a very good success rate.

    Your spouting state sponsored kool-aid .. and have done no investigation beyond that.
     
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    Dear me.

    YOU are the one spouting the official figures and YOU are the one on the kool aid. The official figures from India are 33 million cases & 420,000 dead. Oh, and 915 million vaccine doses administered. Only one of those figures is anything close to the truth, and it isn't the one you cited. It is beyond funny that you talk about 'state sponsored kool aid' while spouting official figures that are so obviously wrong.

    Not my problem, but useful to expose you for what you are - someone happy to treat plainly false information as true and omit vital information, like the scale of vaccination programs. No surprises there.

    https://covid19.who.int/region/searo/country/in
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Communism is a form of socialism. They have a one party dictatorship to be sure but their economy has been capitalist for some time.
     
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    No it hasn't. It's never been capitalism. America is hardly capitalism and we have always had more economic freedom than them. Its became more capitalistic but never crossed the line into capitalism for sure.
     
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    Sorry, I am not in the mood to argue over definitions.
     
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    Of China's own top 500, 74 percent (370) were state-owned and state stock-holding enterprises, with assets of 27, 370 billion yuan and realizing profit of 266.3 billion yuan, representing 96.96 percent and 84.09 percent respectively of the top 500 corresponding values.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course China embraced some aspects of capitalism -- you are talking as if this is some black vs white paradigm .. where it is either "Laissez faire" or nothing. Same with Socialism " if its not totalitarian communism ist not socialism"

    This is ridiculous .. showing no clue of what these things mean. Socialism is a form of wealth redistribution - one in which the State has full or partial ownership of resources and means of production. Taxation and regulation is one form of ownership - both are "Socialist" - the money put into a collective pot an redistributed.

    China is a raging socialist nation -- more so than most - who opened up a little and allowed some capitalism in .. relaxed the socialistic regulations and allowed private ownership of means of production.
     
  8. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I try not to get involved in semantic arguments. Black and white are your terms. They aren't anything I said. I said China has not abandoned authoritarianism and has become wealthier thanks to capitalism. I'll stay with that.
     
  9. Shonyman32

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    I'm sure you would be if you were right.
     
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    Shonyman32 Well-Known Member

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    No you said they were capitalist, economically not that they got rich to capitalism. Big difference
     
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    They got rich on capitalism. No difference.
     
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    I think you mean communism.
    Xi Jinping sent successful capitalists like Jack Ma of Alibaba and others to re-education camps.
    Xi was frustrated at the idea of billionaires. He feels that Alibaba’s earnings should be spread equitably, and there should be no billionaires.
    It is a childish idea. People don’t bust their asses for free. I can’t imagine a CEO with no money behind him being expected to take a peasants’ wage.
    Kinda reminds me of ant colonies.
     
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